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If Jane Seymore had survived childbirth...
April 26, 2012
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Boleyn
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Queen Victoria hated childbirth, she was the first Royal to use Cloraform to help her cope with the labour pains, and of course once it was out that Victoria had used to Cloraform to help cope with Labour it became fashionable for all the ladies of sociaty to use it..
The pain of labour is soon forgotten when you hold your baby for the first time, and I think Ellie and Ayanka will agree with me that there is no sound more beautiful in this world than a babies first cry..

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April 26, 2012
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That’s the truth. My whole pregnancy was a piece of cake. My water broke at 11:00 pm and my son was born at 1:13 am. It happened so fast I didn’t have a chance to be scared. Once I heard him cry I was so happy I started crying and couldn’t stop. Holding your him for the first time is an undescribable joy. Nothing has ever beaten that feeling.

April 27, 2012
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Boleyn said Did Edward actually have a father/son relationship with his father? I rather get the impression that Stinky viewed Edward as a disappointment.. in the sence that Edward wasn’t like him in his youth. But whose fault was that? Wrap a kid up in cotton wool and that what you get Stinky.
I rather think that Stinkies idea of a son was someone like Elizabeth, hence the reason why he was so annoyed at Anne for giving him a girl instead of a boy.

Isn’t it weird, that there seems to be a lot on how the children got along with each other and with Katherine Parr, but not a lot about Edward and Henry. Edward seemed like a thoughtful, sweet boy. That’s the impression I get from his relationship with KP. But you know I think he would have turned out like Henry. Some of his diary entries during his reign show a bit of cold-bloodedness.

April 27, 2012
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Boleyn said

Mya Elise said

Yeah, he saw how his father was affected by having only 2 sons. He was probably paranoid that if he only had one son then he’d die and he’d be left with only daughters. It IS very ironic that his one and only son died.

Baby Mya came out of her nest box today, she has a fondness for oranges. Although she got very messy with it, so mum was a bit cross with her. I’m afraid poor Mya was picked up by her backside and taken back into the box to have a good wash and brush up…

LOL, that’s great. I love oranges too so me and little Mya have something in common.

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April 28, 2012
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Boleyn said

Queen Victoria hated childbirth, she was the first Royal to use Cloraform to help her cope with the labour pains, and of course once it was out that Victoria had used to Cloraform to help cope with Labour it became fashionable for all the ladies of sociaty to use it..
The pain of labour is soon forgotten when you hold your baby for the first time, and I think Ellie and Ayanka will agree with me that there is no sound more beautiful in this world than a babies first cry..

Not too sure if it was that or the first time any of them slept for over 4 hours….Wink

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April 28, 2012
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Boleyn said Did Edward actually have a father/son relationship with his father? I rather get the impression that Stinky viewed Edward as a disappointment.. in the sence that Edward wasn’t like him in his youth. But whose fault was that? Wrap a kid up in cotton wool and that what you get Stinky.
I rather think that Stinkies idea of a son was someone like Elizabeth, hence the reason why he was so annoyed at Anne for giving him a girl instead of a boy.

Isn’t it weird, that there seems to be a lot on how the children got along with each other and with Katherine Parr, but not a lot about Edward and Henry. Edward seemed like a thoughtful, sweet boy. That’s the impression I get from his relationship with KP. But you know I think he would have turned out like Henry. Some of his diary entries during his reign show a bit of cold-bloodedness.

Royal children had a very hands-off upbringing when it came to parental inter-actions. I remember the outrage by senior officals when Diana, Princess of Wales wanted a far more maternal role than was considered acceptable.

Henry would have given the orders and the nursery staff would have obeyed. I doubt if Henry saw Edward on a regular basis for the first few years of his life. it was only when Edward came out of the “womans governance” that Henry probably took an intereast in Edward as a person rather than a child.

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May 1, 2012
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This is true. It was common for a child of the nobility to be farmed out (for want of a better word) to other noble families, to be brought up. Indeed Henry 7th was first brought up for the first 4 or 5 years by his Uncle Jasper, but once Edward 4th finally secured the throne, and Jasper fled to France or wherever. Henry 7th was given into the care of William Herbert, a turncoat Yorkist (M.B was not a happy bunny either) Henry stayed in Herberts household until 1470 when Henry 6th regained his throne and Jasper came back and took Henry to court, only to flee into exile with Jasper when Edward 4th retook the throne in 1471.
Anyway where little Edward was concerned I rather think that Edward was perhaps a little afraid of hs father, and their relationship, was perhaps at best stilted and disfuncutional. I rather think that Stinky made it know to all those about Edward that he was disappointed in Edward’s lack of enthusiasm concerning wanting to do all the things he did as a child, but like I said it was Stinky’s own fault for wrapping the kid in cotton wool. Poor Edward must have felt very inferior and and small when he placed next to his father. Stinky’s marital relationships didn’t exactly help either, although he perhaps didn’t have what was called a close relationship with either AOC or K.H, his relationship with K.P was a good one. I don’t know why but I kind of get the feeling that Stinky blamed him for J.S’s death although he was so desperate for a son. Hope that makes sence..
If you think about it too Stinky didn’t exactly help matters by allowing a lot of woman to fuss around him. I know that Edward did see his uncles, and that his Uncle Tom was his favourite, basicially because Tom treated him as a little man rather than a simpleton, I don’t mean that how it sounds but I hope you understand what i’m trying to say. Uncle Ned just wanted power for himself and poor Edward was used most cruely by him to get it and then again used by the Dudley crew for them to get power.
By all accounts Edward was a gifted and clever young man, who if had lived could have been a force to be reckoned with and in time perhaps would have outdone his father in his acheivements. Poor Edward the poor little chap didn’t have much of a life did he? He was used and abused all his life, by one faction or other, and having a father who viewed him as a bitter disappointment didn’t help matter much did it?
Although I do wonder if he had had brothers would he have been any different? I suppose in some respects he was a lonely lad who really didn’t know what to do for the best..

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May 1, 2012
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I don’t really get why mother’s weren’t allowed to take care of their children back then? They always had wet nurses and 100’s of maids taking care of a baby, like when Anne was denied breast feeding Elizabeth I don’t understand why it was such a huge deal. I know that royals babies were sent away because they thought that is was cleaner and safer but why can’t the mother go with? Come back to court for important things…?

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May 1, 2012
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Yup. The queen was back to court as soon as she was churched. She was an important part of the whole court scene. Plus once she was back, she could get back to her most important duty, securing the succession with sone and daughters .

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May 2, 2012
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Sending the child out to be nursed is something to us is just plain daft, but from their point of view they thought they were doing what was best. Royal woman especially were expectd to produce a child every year and they couldn’t do that if they were nursing their children.
Woman were generally churched 6 weeks after the birth of a child and I think marital relations were expected to start again shortly after.
Small wonder so many woman died quite early in their lives as they were probably worn out with being constantly pregnant.

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May 2, 2012
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Mya Elise said

I don’t really get why mother’s weren’t allowed to take care of their children back then? They always had wet nurses and 100’s of maids taking care of a baby, like when Anne was denied breast feeding Elizabeth I don’t understand why it was such a huge deal. I know that royals babies were sent away because they thought that is was cleaner and safer but why can’t the mother go with? Come back to court for important things…?

When you breastfeed it reduces your chances of conceiving again. Generally speaking you don’t start menstruating until you stop breastfeeding. Queen’s were expected to get pregnant again in quick succession, so breastfeeding was left to a wet nurse.

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May 4, 2012
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Elliemarianna said

Mya Elise said

I don’t really get why mother’s weren’t allowed to take care of their children back then? They always had wet nurses and 100’s of maids taking care of a baby, like when Anne was denied breast feeding Elizabeth I don’t understand why it was such a huge deal. I know that royals babies were sent away because they thought that is was cleaner and safer but why can’t the mother go with? Come back to court for important things…?

When you breastfeed it reduces your chances of conceiving again. Generally speaking you don’t start menstruating until you stop breastfeeding. Queen’s were expected to get pregnant again in quick succession, so breastfeeding was left to a wet nurse.

Yes, and no. It depends on your diet.

Modern Western women can conceive while breast-feeding since they have excess calories even if they are exclusively breast-feeding. If your diet isn’t high calorie/high nutricious it lowers the chance of conceiving but it’s still not a fool-proof method of birth control.

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May 5, 2012
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Anyanka said

Elliemarianna said

Mya Elise said

I don’t really get why mother’s weren’t allowed to take care of their children back then? They always had wet nurses and 100’s of maids taking care of a baby, like when Anne was denied breast feeding Elizabeth I don’t understand why it was such a huge deal. I know that royals babies were sent away because they thought that is was cleaner and safer but why can’t the mother go with? Come back to court for important things…?

When you breastfeed it reduces your chances of conceiving again. Generally speaking you don’t start menstruating until you stop breastfeeding. Queen’s were expected to get pregnant again in quick succession, so breastfeeding was left to a wet nurse.

Yes, and no. It depends on your diet.

Modern Western women can conceive while breast-feeding since they have excess calories even if they are exclusively breast-feeding. If your diet isn’t high calorie/high nutricious it lowers the chance of conceiving but it’s still not a fool-proof method of birth control.

I was told when I had my daughter (Almost two years ago) and it says in the book new mothers get given by the midwife that the reason breastfeeding works as a contraception is that breastfeeding stops certain hormones being circulated that cause ovulation. Some women do have periods during that time, in which case pregnancy is a risk, but many women who exclusively breastfeed do not menstruate (I didn’t). Pregnancy cannot occur if there is no egg released. It says “Less than 1 out of 100 women who practice continuous breastfeeding perfectly will become pregnant.” No contraceptive is 100% fool-proof.

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Woman back then and especially Royality were expected to produce as many children as possible, they were generally regarded as baby making machines, and I suppose in some ways producing a child every year was also good for the wet nurses etc.. as it gave them a steady employment.
Although wet nurses were chosen with very special care the mother/wet nurse I should say should be healthy and of clean living, as any sign of illness could affect the milk and therefore affect the child..
I’m not too sure of this one so please don’t jump on me. But there was a rumour that the reason to why James 6th/1st of England was a little to fond of the old drink was because his wet nurse was a drunkard herself. But it wouldn’t surprize me if it was true.
As Ellie said no contraceptive is 100% fool proof, and that statement is still true today.
I mentioned a few months back when we talking about KH, that she had asked her married sister if she knew of anything that would help prevent pregnancy, and her sister advised her to stick half a lemon up her vagina before sexual intercourse and that should help stop pregnacy. There was also a rudimentary form of condoms which were generally the intestines of a sheep,which the Romans used, and swallowing a tablespoon of live tadpoles, or even sticking half a orange up the vagina were some of the looney ideas of contraception methods.

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