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The Finale
March 21, 2012
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Boleyn
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Duchess I’m really looking forward to seeing it. i saw bits and pieces on Youtube and they both really looked how I wanted them to look, and that’s always a big thing for me. And I adore Helena. So does my partner actually, I swear he has a soft spot for Lady Jane because Helena played her (he gave himself away being upset when Molly killed Bellatrix in Harry Potter 7 lol)

Olga I bawled my eyes out when that bitch Bellatrix killed Dobby, but cheered like mad when she finally got her comeupance at Molly’s hands, serves the bitch right and all.
However I think Helena Bonham Carter is extremely versatile as an actress, and really gives the viewers a believable performance of the person she’s playing. I would rather like to see how she play Elizabeth you know. Of course she’s either have to dye her hair or wear a wig, but I wouldn’t have thought wearing a wig wouldn’t be so much a problem, as Elizabeth seem to do ok in real life, although her wigs must have been crawling with lice……………Yuck and double yuck…

Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod

March 21, 2012
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That was always one of Jo’s best themes in the Harry Potter books, that a mother’s love will always defeat the ultimate evil. It’s one of my favourite book scenes of all time. And Helena played her wonderfully. I’m sure she could play anyone. Although I have to admit Cate is one of my favourite Elizabeths, that movie is what got me really interested in Tudor history. I haven’t seen Glenda jackson yet, I’m trying to catch up on as many old movies as I can.

I think between Bill and Boleyn we have most of Elizabeth’s Showtome story sorted Laugh

March 21, 2012
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Catherine & Liz….? And both Seymour brothers with Catherine Parr? Wow, never looked at it that way. Maybe you should come up with ideas with the producers and maybe convince them to keep accuracy in there….

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March 22, 2012
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I loved the Finale of the Tudors, it was so much nicer than seeing Henry dying in his bed.
I thought it was beautifully done all round and I especially loved the horse, very well done Smile

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March 22, 2012
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I don’t think it would of been boring had they made it more PG-13 instead of XRated. The show should be watched because of the history and fans of the Tudor era not people who wanna tune into a nice sex scene. I, personally, watched the show because Anne and the wives stories and not for any other reason. If other people want to watch the show to get into the history better than perfect, great, but it makes me upset that some people only watch it due to sex lure and naked-ness.

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March 22, 2012
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I honestly don’t think people would watch a show like the Tudors just for the sex Mya. I think the producers are just stupid and therefore think viewers are stupid and couldn’t follow a compelling story like that of Henry VIII without copious amounts of sex. They did the same thing with Game of Thrones, and they’re not even tasteful love scenes, they’re just downright soft porn. That’s kind of why I enjoyed the Borgias so much, less sex and more plot. They did ease up a fair bit in the later seasons of the Tudors, I’m hoping Game of Thrones will follow suit, it’s starting to bore me.
But I can give you an example of how stupid television producers can be. On Facebook on Valentine’s Day the Game of Thrones staff decided to post Valentine pictures up of couples from the books, and posted a picture of a twin brother and sister who are in an incestuous relationship that in the book is portrayed as twisted and damaging, yet the staff thought they’d make a nice Valentine Sweetheart picture.
You wonder if half of them even know what the story is about.

March 23, 2012
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I agree, Olga. I find Hollywood thinks it’s veiwers lack the intelligence or aptitude to watch and comprehend complex plot. I find good writing, great performances, and complex plot more interesting than lots of sex. Frankly, I find sex in films is often filler, and does nothing to further the plot. Frankly, the best parts of The Tudors were those intense scenes between characters, and wathcing the machinitations of Henry’s court unfold. The Tudors has so much to like about it, but there were elements that detracted from the quality of the production.

What is Game of Thrones like? I’ve never read the books, or watched the series. But, I feel I should watch because I am a huge Sean Bean fan, and have been for years. What is his part like? Is it worth a watch?

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March 23, 2012
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Yeah, i know and I agree. Why isn’t this story interesting enough without all the sex? It’s kind of insulting, but I don’t think that was their intention, to insult anyone just get good ratings but still if people really wanted to watch the show for the history then why all the sex? What i’m trying to say is why would the makers (whatever their called) think that people will only tune in unless there’s tons of sex scenes? Why can’t a show be enjoyed without all that stuff? Make the show for true fans, not anything else.

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March 23, 2012
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I don’t know Mya, it frustrates me. I’m just not a fan of pointless sex scenes, these days a lot of the shows I’ve been enjoying (otherwise) like Boardwalk Empire for example, are full of sex and full on nudity. And another thing is I haven’t spoken to a single person who doesn’t agree with me, most people roll their eyes about it. Game of Thrones I think went even more overboard than the Tudors did, but of course the Tudors was Showtime and HBO did G.O.T and HBO is seriously trashy.
Duchess, the books are good. If you don’t read much fantasy but like historical fiction this is probably the best sort of fantasy to try, a medieval setting with a lot of political intrigue. George does cater a bit to the teenage boy a little, but generally the women are portrayed well, there is a really interesting mix of female characters as well, which a lot of fantasy lacks.
The show is okay, I suspect the next series will be far better than this one. Sean’s character is one of the central characters in Book one, he’s very good, of course, I adore him. But definitely watch the series before you read the books, they’re of course far better and will wreck the TV show for you Smile I read them ages ago, they’ve been around for ages.

March 23, 2012
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Unfortunately sex sells. And unfortunately the promos monkeys think if they show a sex scene in a preview more people will tune in. In regards to the Tudors I didn’t mind the sex scenes if it were historically accurate eg Henry and Anne making love. But it is just gratuitious to have Jane Boleyn share a sex scene with Culpepper or have Henry sleep with Anne of Cleves, which as history says never happened. And considering this was a series that refused to let the main character age and get fat it is pretty clear that we were meant to be tuning in for the pretty not for the history which is a shame. And which really does almost prove why they didn’t continue the series after Henry cause his kids had no saucy sex secrets. Which in the end makes the title The Tudors a misleading one as they only covered one Tudor’s reign in the end.

March 24, 2012
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I know sex sells, it’s literally everywhere now – in every ad for whatever features half naked women or men and it’s like seriously?! If your selling perfume then have a picture of that perfume and a flower or something not a naked woman holding the perfume. The only exception would be ad’s for bras and underwear. And kid’s shows and movies are starting to get bad too and almost every movie has it now. It’s getting ridiculous.
I wouldn’t mind Anne/Henry initimate scenes either, they didn’t really have many sex scenes with them anyways except the time in the woods and the one when they did it in France then the scene after the danced together which wasn’t that bad because they had clothing on. And speaking of the Jane Boleyn and Culpepper scene – it was really supirising that they did that, I didn’t expect that at all and it bothered me for some reason.

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March 25, 2012
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Ah I had forgotten about the Jane/Culpeper storyline. I think one of the more annoying portrayals in that series was the Kitty Howard/Henry relationship, making out like they were having a steamy sexual relationship which only waned later on. I agree with you on them not letting Henry age properly Bill, the shame was they just made Kitty out to be a raving tart who liked sleeping with everyone, rather than a young girl who couldn’t have a fulfilling sexual relationship with her too-old husband and sought comfort and companionship with someone closer to her age.
Also I’m currently reading Starkey so I am still deciding whether she even slept with Culpeper or not.

March 25, 2012
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Olga said

Ah I had forgotten about the Jane/Culpeper storyline. I think one of the more annoying portrayals in that series was the Kitty Howard/Henry relationship, making out like they were having a steamy sexual relationship which only waned later on. I agree with you on them not letting Henry age properly Bill, the shame was they just made Kitty out to be a raving tart who liked sleeping with everyone, rather than a young girl who couldn’t have a fulfilling sexual relationship with her too-old husband and sought comfort and companionship with someone closer to her age.
Also I’m currently reading Starkey so I am still deciding whether she even slept with Culpeper or not.

The situation between Culpepper and KH was something that was discussed a few weeks ago, as it happens Olga. Starkey’s interpetation of it as I seem to recall that it was of a sexual nature, but then can you really blame her. Would you want a stinking festering blubbery walrus trying to maul you about night after night. Culpepper and KH were cousins and did know each other very well in their childhood, so at the moment I’m still in 2 minds, about their relationship too. Although I’m more inclined to think that Culpepper was just someone who she could talk to about the problems that she and Henry were having, or I’ll re Phrase that the problems that she was having with Henry. He wasn’t exactly easy to get along with, Henry this is, as he was in pain most of the time, and although he was good to her etc, he shared no common intrests with her. Culpepper on the other hand was of her age and therefore they must have shared a lot of common interests. Could you see Henry sharing fashion tips or what the celebrities would be wearing at the Oscars etc. No all Henry was concerned about was getting her pregnant, that would be his whole job done, after that as long as she had a baby every year she could pretty much say what she liked to him as long as he could get in her knickers.. I think it would of been a case of “Yes Dear, no dear, maybe dear now lets have sex dear”

KH was a fool but at the same time she was a kind hearted fool who perhaps didn’t act as was expected that most teens would have expected to act in that day and age.. KH was perhaps more suited to the 60’s era, a flower power child, where woman were more freer and could talk about things to other men or woman, where their lives were going what their hopes and dreams were and fashion, make up and beauty tips.

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March 25, 2012
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Bill1978 said

I didn’t cry, but I thought the series was wrapped up very well. I also liked how the series ended in a way that led into the Elizabeth movie starring Cate Blanchett. Very smart on the writer since he wrote both THe Tudors and the ELizabeth movie. The one thing that the finale’s end highlighted for me though was the need to do a series that fills in the gap between the end of The Tudors and the start of the Elizabeth movie. Maybe just one more season where half is dedicared to Edward’s reign and the other half deidacted to Mary’s reign. I dunno, it just really pointed out to me when it comes to the Tudors entertainment really does like to pretend Elizabeth followed Henry.

Here Bill I’ve just had a very naughty thought. I think it may lead to a few slapped wrists.. If the Showtime people did ever decide to follow up The Tudors with the rest of the family, how about Edward comming out as a homosexual? and Elizabeth as Bi sexual. LOL..
I reckon either Mya or Anyanka, would certainly like to give me a kick up the bum, to go with my slapped wrists too…

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March 25, 2012
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Pah!I have an Iron Maiden and I’m prepeared to use it…………laughs manicallly……

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March 26, 2012
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Anyanka said

Pah!I have an Iron Maiden and I’m prepeared to use it…………laughs manicallly……

Anyanka you’re a nutcase, but I loves ya for it…

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March 26, 2012
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Olga. I’m glad that you are reading David Starkey’s book. You should also give Lady Antonia’s Frazer’s book a go as well. Starkey’s point of view is very blunt, robust and to the point which I actually prefer to be honest as it challenges the readers perception of things that went on with in the Tudor court etc. Basically it an all round good brain taxer. However Frazer’s book gives a much softer side of things, and I actually found comparing the 2 after I read them was another good mental exercise.
So I’m going to give you a good mental exercise to, try.
If KH was given the choice who would she have prefered to marry? Henry, Thomas Culpepper or Francis Derham, and why?

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March 26, 2012
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Here Bill I’ve just had a very naughty thought. I think it may lead to a few slapped wrists.. If the Showtime people did ever decide to follow up The Tudors with the rest of the family, how about Edward comming out as a homosexual? and Elizabeth as Bi sexual. LOL..

Hmm I don’t think anyone would dare to portray Elizabeth I as being interested in the ladies lol. Her time on the throne and before the throne is filled with plenty of intrigue already, much of it almost far fetched if it weren’t real, so no need to make up stuff on Elizabeth to get the ratings, all they would need to do is show her having sex to be ‘controversial’ and even that is not a new idea.

It wouldn’t surprise me if they decided to make Edward gay, cause really the writers would write him as being sick and boring so why not just make up a whole lot of crap anyway to make him more exciting than the history books make him out to be. Maybe Edward could be in love with Guildford Dudley and it is Edward who arranges his marriage to Jane and changes the succession so his true love can continue the work that he started but will be unable to finish due to his illness.

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What an interesting question. I have thought about this before when considering KH and I actually think if she had been given the bare choice as you put it that she would have chosen Henry.
The baubles, the dancing, the clothes, the food, the power, the lording it over her friends, snubbing her nose at her family, the whole damn thing. She was very ‘mature’ in some things but immature in those that matter for a good long life so I don’t think she would have hesitated in choosing Henry.

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March 26, 2012
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I’ll put it on my list Boleyn, I was going to read Weirs Six Wives next, but if I have the Antonia Frazer book here I’ll read it first. Otherwise I will order it. Starkey bags them out a bit in his preface LOL. I do enjoy reading Starkey though, a lot. For such a massive book it’s been a breezy read.

If Kitty were given the choice I think she would have chosen Culpeper. I don’t think she was quite as dim as people make out she was. And I don’t think it was just the excitement of doing something forbidden with Culpeper, I think that she (at least thought she) was deeply in love and knew what the risks were. perhaps she thought Henry wouldn’t go so far as to execute her, but I can’t think it wouldn’t have crossed her mind that she would at least risk the mariage with Henry.

I wouldn’t blame her at all if she had slept with Culpeper, by the way, I had just read in a previous book it was Starkey’s theory that they hadn’t actually done the deed. I in fact, hope they did get to sleep together before Henry murdered them.

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