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The Finale
March 26, 2012
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Mya Elise
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Alot of people believe Kathryn and Culpepper did NOT have a sexual relationship but if not caught would of eventually happend and then there are people who are positive they did. Sometimes I think they did but most of the time I lean towards the idea that they didn’t. I think they did want to, definately, but it just hadn’t happend yet. It was obvious that they would have that secret sexual relationship on the show – Of course! That means more sex for them! But it really bothered me when they added Jane Boleyn into the equation like that, it made me hate her more and Culpepper more. It’s like they just kept putting people together sexually, random people together just to make it more naughty.

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March 26, 2012
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Mya Elise said

Alot of people believe Kathryn and Culpepper did NOT have a sexual relationship but if not caught would of eventually happend and then there are people who are positive they did. Sometimes I think they did but most of the time I lean towards the idea that they didn’t. I think they did want to, definately, but it just hadn’t happend yet. It was obvious that they would have that secret sexual relationship on the show – Of course! That means more sex for them! But it really bothered me when they added Jane Boleyn into the equation like that, it made me hate her more and Culpepper more. It’s like they just kept putting people together sexually, random people together just to make it more naughty.

To be honest Mya I rather think that KH and Culpepper didn’t have a sexual relationship either. I’m sure that he probably wondered about them having sex. But KH wasn’t an idiot a knew the risks of what would happen if she was was caught in flaganto delecto, with any man not just Culpepper. Like I said Culpepper was just someone she could talk to and perhaps have a bit of a cry on his shoulder. Poor KH it seems to me that whatever she tried to do was always wrong or go wrong for her.
I always had her down a simpleton, but no she was just misguided little fool who perhaps if given a chance to redeem herself and maybe even got to talk to Henry when she went running down the Hampton Court corridors to find him. He maybe would have understood that she was just a child and like all children they make mistakes. One must always learn to walk before one tries to fly. I wonder what she would have said to Henry if she had been given the chance to talk to him that day?
Another brain buster folks for you to figure out, and for me too.

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March 26, 2012
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I just finished the chapters on Kitty Howard in Starkey’s Six Wives, and yes he did say he thought they didn’t have a sexual relationship although Culpeper admitted that that was his intent. He also claimed the famous Hampton Court scene of Kitty running down the corridor to Henry at mass never happened. This has crushed me, because I have read some excellent stories of her ghost haunting that gallery.

March 26, 2012
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Well like I said, I think that if the relationship had continued then yes they would of slept together, no doubt about it. I just think they met together, maybe, and they wrote love letters and flirted and gave lovey dovey looks. I do think Katheryn had strong feelings for Thomas but i’m not sure whether he felt the same.

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March 26, 2012
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Olga I think it would nice to believe that actually happened. Perhaps it somehow makes KH all the more desperate to save her life, and lets face it she WAS desperate to save her life.
Perhaps KH did run down that corridor in happier times which is why she runs down it now. I know there are people who have actually had her “ghost” actually run right through them, and they say that for a breif second they feel what she must have felt at the time, sheer terror.
It’s one of those odd little legends that crop up from time to time. Much like the local legends that probably exist around your home town now. Most of which you can probably take with a pinch of salt.
There are also some people who a sceptical, about the existance of “ghosts” anyway, and I rather think that perhaps Starkey is one of them.
As for me, well it’s a case of surla burla (this way and that) maybe, maybe not I believe well…All I will say is that I saw a lady in green at Sudley castle, who may or may not of been KP or perhaps it was just a figment of my imagination caught up in a moment of exitement of actually being in the very place where one of Henry’s queen’s actually lived, and of course that maybe is exactly what these people, who claim to have felt KH presence, might have experienced.
I have also heard that when KH went to the block, she did not say “I die a Queen but would have rather died the wife of Thomas Culpepper”
She actually went to the block with more dignity and composure than she had showed so far in her life. Was she hoping that even then if she went demurely to her death that Henry would stop her execution and see that she was truly sorry for what she had done to him? As far as I can remember her scaffold speech was so heartfelt in asking people to pray for her and to pray for the King etc, that the people who were around the scaffold (and at least Henry spared her the ordeal of a public execution) were weeping brokenheartedly for her.

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March 26, 2012
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I’m sure I would have wept for the poor girl, whether she was terrified or whether she was composed. It would have been a truly horrible thing to see such a young girl being executed.
I’m quite sure that their ghosts do haunt certain places, I just liked the legend of her running down the hall begging for her life. If Henry had been on the other side of the door and ignored her it just confirms the fact he was a horrible coward who could never face his wives after he decided he was done with them. As it happens, Starkey claims he snuck off in the night, which is even more cowardly.

These sort of discussions are fun Boleyn, you should start new questions every week. I’ve been learning a lot of new things since I joined this forum.

March 26, 2012
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There were times when I felt like it was a huge slash-fic session. Throw a dice to get one name and throw another to get sex partner of the week.

Henry/Bessie. George/Mark. Skippy/Flipper/Clarence the cross eyed lion. There really didn’t seem any sense to some of the couples…

It's always bunnies.

March 26, 2012
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I agree Anya about the pairing especialy Henry and any of hs wives LOL

I’m surprised the show didn’t even try to hint on a Henry/Charles Brandon relationship LOL

March 27, 2012
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Anyanka.. It did rather seem like that that at times I would have thought. There seemed to be no method or reason behind why Captain Pugwash, and Pippy longstocking should be thrown together other than the fact they were male and female.
Although a lot of people didn’t like the series given the Historical inacurrcies, I enjoyed the series, and certain some of the things that were covered that were factual does make you think about what actually did go on. For instance, when Henry and KOA were in the court etc. was the whole trial seen as a joke by the populus. To be honest just because a majority of people weren’t educated in those days it didn’t mean they were thick, and to actually try to use the excuse that Henry thought his marriage was all wrong to KOA after nearly 20 years of marriage, because of a passage in the Bible said it was a sin to marry his dead brothers widow, must have seemed hysterical to the populus. Even they knew that the Pope wouldn’t have allowed the marriage to KOA to even happen if there was any element of doubt anywhere that they were breaking God’s law by allowing it.
Henry’s treatment of Wolsey was another one. Wolsey tried everything he could to procure Henry his divorce from KOA, and in the end it was Wolsey who fell fowl of the law. Wolsey was only doing the job that Henry had asked him to do, after all.
Charles Brandon’s statement that it was never merry in England whilst their were Cardinals in it, and again it was Wolsey who saved Charles’s life after he had married Mary in real life.
The same could be said of Cromwell although he was ambitious etc he did get the jobs done he was asked to do, but ultimately it made him unpopular as a result. His screw up with AOC was perhaps the final straw for Henry to have to put up with, but for the most part Cromwell was a good lawyer, who kept the country going, and always made sure Henry had spending money. After Henry had Cromwell executed, Henry was rather left at the mercy of all those who were only out for themselves.
There is also the business with KH, who in real life was actually the instigator behind pushing KH forward. Granted K.H was of a age where she was old enough to go to court etc, but surely even she hadn’t thought the King would be interested in her? It was something we all disgussed a few weeks ago about her attraction for Henry, in that she didn’t really do anything, she just looked pretty and just had something about her that rather tickled his fancy. When his fancy had been tickled of course and noted by those about her who was it that pushed her ever onwards towards the Royal Marriage bed?. I have voiced one of my possible off the latch theories already, in short I believe that her Uncle Norfolk had designs for her when she was still very young.. He (Norfolk) always seems to give me the creeps for some reason..
Henry’s behaviour towards KP’s radical religious ideas, was another one, wasn’t it Henry who allowed people the right to make up their own minds about religion, to a certain degree? KP just went one step forward, perhaps too quickly for Henry at least to say that in order to understand what religion was all about was to actually read about it themselves and find solace and comfort in the Bible whenever there was a problem in their lives. Woman, still as such had no right to question what was what etc, but at least they could read the Bible and bow to better judgement because of it and from it.

Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod

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Anyanka.. It did rather seem like that that at times I thought. There seemed to be no method or reason behind why Captain Pugwash, and Pippy longstocking should be thrown together other than the fact they were male and female. Nothing would have surprized where the poetic licence went in The Tudors. It’s a wonder they didn’t try to write in a Dr Who type Charater complete with a Tardis, with a pet Dinosaur on a string. Or plant a Helicopter on one of the tennis courts.
Although a lot of people didn’t like the series given the Historical inacurrcies, I enjoyed the series, and certain some of the things that were covered that were factual does make you think about what actually did go on. For instance, when Henry and KOA were in the court etc. was the whole trial seen as a joke by the populus. To be honest just because a majority of people weren’t educated in those days it didn’t mean they were thick, and to actually try to use the excuse that Henry thought his marriage was all wrong to KOA after nearly 20 years of marriage, because of a passage in the Bible said it was a sin to marry his dead brothers widow, must have seemed hysterical to the populus. Even they knew that the Pope wouldn’t have allowed the marriage to KOA to even happen if there was any element of doubt anywhere that they were breaking God’s law by allowing it.
Henry’s treatment of Wolsey was another one. Wolsey tried everything he could to procure Henry his divorce from KOA, and in the end it was Wolsey who fell fowl of the law. Wolsey was only doing the job that Henry had asked him to do, after all.
Charles Brandon’s statement that it was never merry in England whilst their were Cardinals in it, and again it was Wolsey who saved Charles’s life after he had married Mary in real life.
The same could be said of Cromwell although he was ambitious etc he did get the jobs done he was asked to do, but ultimately it made him unpopular as a result. His screw up with AOC was perhaps the final straw for Henry to have to put up with, but for the most part Cromwell was a good lawyer, who kept the country going, and always made sure Henry had spending money. After Henry had Cromwell executed, Henry was rather left at the mercy of all those who were only out for themselves.
There is also the business with KH, who in real life was actually the instigator behind pushing KH forward. Granted K.H was of a age where she was old enough to go to court etc, but surely even she hadn’t thought the King would be interested in her? It was something we all disgussed a few weeks ago about her attraction for Henry, in that she didn’t really do anything, she just looked pretty and just had something about her that rather tickled his fancy. When his fancy had been tickled of course and noted by those about her who was it that pushed her ever onwards towards the Royal Marriage bed?. I have voiced one of my possible off the latch theories already, in short I believe that her Uncle Norfolk had designs for her when she was still very young.. He (Norfolk) always seems to give me the creeps for some reason..
Henry’s behaviour towards KP’s radical religious ideas, was another one, wasn’t it Henry who allowed people the right to make up their own minds about religion, to a certain degree? KP just went one step forward, perhaps too quickly for Henry at least to say that in order to understand what religion was all about was to actually read about it themselves and find solace and comfort in the Bible whenever there was a problem in their lives. Woman, still as such had no right to question what was what etc, but at least they could read the Bible and bow to better judgement because of it and from it.

Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod

March 27, 2012
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I adored the finale of the Tudors! But I guess i’m biased as I do love the series despite it’s innacuracies. (Although I must confess there weresome very annoying innacuracies in there and some terrible representations of certain characters e.g George Boleyn)

I was excited about the finale but expected it to end in the same way as all the others with Henry dying and so I was pleasantly suprised when it did not end in that way. It kept the edgy, glamorous, supernatural edge the series always had and yet there were some beautifully subtle emotional moments such as when Henry is saying goodbye to his children and says to Elizabeth ‘bless you child’. I also loved the analogy about the sparrow at the beginning of the episode and the little sparrow flitting past the portrait of Henry just before the credits began to roll.

All in all one of my favourite episodes of The Tudors Smile

March 27, 2012
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I just didn’t want to see Henry dying in his bed as so many other films have done, I LOVED the ending!!!

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March 27, 2012
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LOL, or have Charles sleep with one of the wives or have Henry sleep with…well he about slept with everyone…Confused

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Is this the series that showed Anne as a child at Hever at the end? Or have I got the wrong show?

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juliane said

Is this the series that showed Anne as a child at Hever at the end? Or have I got the wrong show?

It showed Anne at Hever as a child in the last episode, when Anne was waiting for death yes. It showed her playing hide and seek with her father and brother, and then as her head was lopped off her father catching her and spinning her around in his arms.

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April 6, 2012
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Yeah I thought that was sad when they showed Anne was a little girl playing with her father, who knew that one day he’d be one of the biggest factors in the events that led up to her death, her own father. It’s extremely saddening.

I could see them making Edward gay too, or at least thinking about other guys in romantic-ish ways. Anything to get ratings, eh?

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Edward could sleep with all the Dudley siblings, male and female….heck a mass orgy with the Dudley family.

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Anyanka said

Edward could sleep with all the Dudley siblings, male and female….heck a mass orgy with the Dudley family.

Whose to say that Edward wouldn’t have been Gay if he had lived to his maturity? That would have certainly put old stinky blubber mountain’s nose well out of joint LOL..

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Boleyn said

Anyanka said

Edward could sleep with all the Dudley siblings, male and female….heck a mass orgy with the Dudley family.

Whose to say that Edward wouldn’t have been Gay if he had lived to his maturity? That would have certainly put old stinky blubber mountain’s nose well out of joint LOL..

HAHAHA! I think Edward had a thing for Jane Grey, perhaps they were trying to interbreed so much their heirs were born with two heads, in case Henry decided to do a come back special.

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“stinky blubber mountain”

Now I’m going to be chuckling during my bedtime reading. That’s a cracker of a description.

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