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Is Henry VIII in Hell?
May 22, 2010
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Gentillylace
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Rowan Williams, the current Archbishop of Canterbury, recently gave a sermon in which he suggested that Henry VIII might be in Hell:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm…..itarianism

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/com…..-hell.html

What do you think?

Yours as long as lyffe endures, Katheryn

May 23, 2010
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Interesting articles, thanks for putting them up.  It's a tricky question “is Henry in hell?” – the Archbishop seemed to be suggesting that the only way henry could have avoided it was through the prayers and forgiveness of his victims.  On the scaffold many victims toed the line and went on about how merciful a prince Henry was, Anne included, but one will never know what was truly in their hearts. Forgiveness is a core ideal of Christianity and the sixteenth century was a time when religion was everything and people took it far more seriously so perhaps, just perhaps, Henry got off lightly.  Grrrrr!  Wink

Either way it makes you think!

May 23, 2010
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I don't know if he is actually in Hell, but I hope so. He have the blood of too many peoples on his hands, mostly innocent people, likeAnne or Katherine Howard. Add to this that he indirerectly ruined more lives, like Mary's, who could have married and have children and was badly treated, or in a way Jane Grey ( Henry never re-legitimized his daughters, so it was easier to contest their right to inherit the throne, and to put this innocent pawn on it).

Concerning the Christiant forgiveness, I'm quite doubtful. People can believe that theyare guilty in a way, or that they HAVE to forgive since it's the Christian way to act,no matter if the forgiveness is deserved. Recently, I've watched an emission about incest; in one segment, the father of an integrist Catholic family had abused his twins daughters, been condamned, and came back in hs family as if nothing had happened. When interviewed, the girls said that one's sin must be forgiven; never was their traumatism or their feelings taken in account. It really pissed me of!

May 24, 2010
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Thanks for the articles.  Interesting.

It's not for us mere mortals to decide who goes to hell or not.  The vengeful side of us certainly wants to believe that someone like Henry deserves to be in hell.  The Christian faith says vengence is God's right, not ours. 

Having said that, IMO Henry doesn't belong in heaven!

May 24, 2010
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I agree with Sharon in that we can't really know or decide this.  No human ever really, completely knew Henry's soul as a man apart from the monarch.  At the end of his life, only God knew what Henry's motives had been and whether or not he was repentant.

May 27, 2010
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My religion does not believe anyone is in hell yet. They are waiting in the grave to be judged so no he is not in hell yet.

If what all the history books say about him is true though, he will be going straight to hell once he is judged.

I'm pretty sure about that.

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May 28, 2010
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According to Catholic theology, Heaven is the Beatific Vision, aka, getting to “see” God in person.  Things like reuniting with loved ones, having happiness (from the Book of Revelation “God will wipe every tear from their eye”), etc., are considered secondary perks.  Being in the presence of God is what makes it Heaven.  Conversely, Hell is being kept away from God.  This is what makes it Hell, and many theologians and saints consider the “fire and brimstone” thing to be merely symbolic of the horrible nature of being separated from God.  

So, if we believe that, I'd say that Henry was in Hell for a long time already, having separated himself from God (and being a hypocrite about it since he was “the Most Christian Prince”) and pretty much setting himself up as a god in his own realm.  He was a self-worshipper, the most annoying kind of idolator. 

Ainsi sera, groigne qui groigne.

June 1, 2010
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I think Henry was in Hell before he died. Religious tradition in tudor times was in life, prepare for death. Henry had prepared a monumental gold tomb for himself that was never used. His last year was living hell for him and I'm sure that his life revisited him in his mind, regardless of the status he gave himself with God.

If it was not this, then it would be something else?

June 1, 2010
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It all depends on where Henry was with God when he died. I believe in the good old Lutheran doctrine of justification by faith, that if you believe in God, accept Christ as your saviour and repent of your sins then you will be accepted by God into Heaven. Henry did many awful things but he may well have repented at the end, who knows??

I often look at myself as a mother to try and get an inkling of how God feels as our Father and there is nothing that my children could ever do that would stop me loving them, I love them unconditionally. If you think that God's love is much more perfect than mine then there is nothing that Henry could do that would stop God loving him and willing to accept him back as the Prodigal Son, if Henry wanted to come back. So, the onus was on Henry at the end and we just can't know what was in Henry's heart then.

Sorry to go on!!

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June 1, 2010
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Nicely said, Claire.

Ainsi sera, groigne qui groigne.

June 3, 2010
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Very true Claire, he may have been devious, intolerant manipulative and a tyrant in later life but one thing he was, devoutly religious and most definitely, his mothers son.

If it was not this, then it would be something else?

June 4, 2010
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I went all spiritual didn't I?!

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June 4, 2010
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You spoke from the heart Claire, so therefore it was spiritual. I think if we look back at the beginnings of the Church of England, you will find Henry's spirituality and what he thought.

If it was not this, then it would be something else?

June 4, 2010
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Do I believe he's in hell? Hmmm. I'm not a religious person, however I'm sure he is wherever he's supposed to be. Whether he's living it up with Jane Seymour, or realized that killing Anne was wrong and took her back, he is at some peace I would think.. However, when I read what happened to Anne and the other women, I wish he was sitting in his huge palace, with all of his wives nagging him about their treatment by him.. LOL

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June 6, 2010
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 Sabrina, let's hope his wives have moved on to bigger and better things, and are not stuck with Henry somewhere.

June 6, 2010
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Perhaps.. Maybe Henry has to watch them be happy without him… and there's nothing he can do about it.. LOL

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June 6, 2010
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If I may continue this chat on a lighter tone (by the way claire, what you said was very beautiful), I was reading Divine Comedy recently, and it made me wonder: let's assume that Henry is in Hell, and that his wives, having better to do than torturing him, have left the chore to Hell's inhabitant: in which circle of Hell would Henry be? I think he deserves all of them in a way. What is tour opinion? If youhaven't read Dante's poem, here are the circles: Limbo, Lust, Gluttony ( it works not only for food, but for wine and every desire that can't be drenched, except carnal d.esire), Greed, Anger, Heresy, Violence, Fraud ( includes hypocrites, seducers, corrupt politicians evil concillors, sowers od discord and falsifiers) and Betrayal. Except the Limbo, i think he could suffer everywhere!

June 8, 2010
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If he is not In Hell he deserves to be by my reckoning given the many atrocities he committed not least of which was killing an innocent woman in Anne for no good reason.  Look at what he did to others too like Cromwell and Katherine of Aragon and Katherine Howard and Sir Thomas More.  Henry was not a good person and unless he repented these sins he must surely be in Hell.

July 2, 2010
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Is Henry VIII in hell, is a very interesting question and everyone on here has a valid argument. 

I'm a person who believes in reincarnation and that the very souls of our bodies are reborn over time.  So I like to believe that Henry VIII soul is out there repaying all the karmic debts he owes to his six wives and all that happened during his reign. Then again you have to remember is was not Henry initially that led to the downfall of Anne Boleyn but Thomas Cromwell due to his dislike of her influence on Henry and the lutherian ideals she believed in.

It would be nice to think that after all this time that maybe Henry and Anne are possibly living together right now as husband and wife, boyfriend and girlfriend, learning, realising that love is eternal, and that Henry (or the person whose body has the same soul) has worked through all the karma with his other wives at that Tudor time.

Even though Anne was only a Queen of a thousand days, her courtship and romance of Henry for years showed that what they had between them was special and I suspect as portrayed in the Tudors that Henry still thought of her to his dying days.

So is Henry VIII in hell, I don't think so as I suspect such a place does not exist and the only hell is coming back from “Heaven or spirit world” to Earth to learn life lesson or teach others for the progession of our soul.

Written with the hand of him that was, is, and shall be yours by his will.

July 3, 2010
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There's a well worn joke (just the name and what happens changes)

Henry dies and goes to purgatory where he is gen a choice between Heaven and Hell and is allowed to sample both before he makes his decision.  Well he first goes to Hell, The Devil greets him with a smile and shows him all the wondrous things he can do, such as lopping off wives'  and old friends' heads, torture, having a good time, you name it, everything he ever wanted – good place to be.  But he thought he would also give Heaven a chance and winged his way there-  Life was so boring with everyone being good and saintly that he phoned the deveil and asked if he could return.  When he returned the rack awaited him and so did the Headman.  H exclaimed – “What's happening?  This is nothing like the hell I came to a while ago”  Devil replies “Bluff!!! King Hal”

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