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The White Queen - BBC drama
July 18, 2013
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Boleyn said

There was probably a reason for her ruthlessness. There were also rumours kicking around that Edward was not even Henry’s son anyway?

Ye olde magick sperm theory..William Wallace? Henry Darnley? Henry VIII? Old Uncle Tom Cobbley?? Mr Blobby? Tinky Winky??? SWMNBN is missing a whole load of potential fathers here..

Personaly I’m gong for Britney Spears as being Edward’s father…

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July 18, 2013
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Anyanka said

Boleyn said

There was probably a reason for her ruthlessness. There were also rumours kicking around that Edward was not even Henry’s son anyway?

Ye olde magick sperm theory..William Wallace? Henry Darnley? Henry VIII? Old Uncle Tom Cobbley?? Mr Blobby? Tinky Winky??? SWMNBN is missing a whole load of potential fathers here..

Personaly I’m gong for Britney Spears as being Edward’s father…

I dare say S.W.M.N.B.N will get around to them sooner or later. I’m surprized she hasn’t the possible father as being Zaphod Beaglebox (Hitchhikers guide to the universe) or Batman, Superman The invisible man or even the Pope why not she’s capable of finding a way to write something like that.

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July 18, 2013
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Well considering poor old Henry spent most of the year little Edward was conceived snoozing it’s not surprising they thought someone else knocked her up.

I thought disputing paternity and legitimacy was a bit of a hobby back then, you know, like attending executions.

July 18, 2013
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I’ve read an advance copy of the next PG novel, and apparently Edward is traumatised when he discovers that he’s his own dad. On a brighter note, it’ll make his shopping for Father’s Day a lot easier.

July 18, 2013
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SteveJ LOL yeah that’s a good one . S.W.M.N.B.N would have a field day with that storyline.
How did they get those pointy ice cream cone hats to stay up? I should think anyone who was standing close to them when they were bent down would have to be careful they didn’t take someone’s eye out.

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July 18, 2013
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Olga said

Well considering poor old Henry spent most of the year little Edward was conceived snoozing it’s not surprising they thought someone else knocked her up.

I thought disputing paternity and legitimacy was a bit of a hobby back then, you know, like attending executions.

I thought so too. Laugh If nothing else works, claim bastardry. Let them try to straighten that out!

July 18, 2013
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Boleyn said

SteveJ LOL yeah that’s a good one . S.W.M.N.B.N would have a field day with that storyline.
How did they get those pointy ice cream cone hats to stay up? I should think anyone who was standing close to them when they were bent down would have to be careful they didn’t take someone’s eye out.

How on earth could they bend over at all? Maybe they glued it on to their plucked forehead.

July 20, 2013
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I’m actually really enjoying this series (though I have to say i believe PG’s cousins war is her best series)

The book isn’t accurate at all so I had no high expectations there..but I’m just enjoying this as a piece of entertainment

I think the casting is good..Rebecca Ferguson is a beautiful Elizabeth Woodville and Max Irons a charming young Edward. Of course there is the ultimate period drama villain James Frain playing Warwick and an equally dastardly George, Duke of Clarence. Then there is my favourite Jaquetta, I don’t know the name of the actress but I think she is fabulous.

Of course it is very irritating to think many people will take most of this as fact rather than consulting works by real historians and there are some scenes that may be like nails on a chalkboard to those who are knowledgeable and passionate about the real Wars of the Roses

Though I have to admit..Im a fan :)

July 22, 2013
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Gosh this show makes me want to tear out my hair… Yet I can’t seem to stop watching Laugh
The writing is absolutely dreadful and I can’t stand Rebecca Ferguson as Elizabeth. I do apologize but she just grates on me. And I have a problem with the pacing; everything seems to be happening far too quickly with no time for character development. I rather wish HBO had made this – it would have been a thousand times better. But then I suppose they’ve already got their own version of the Wars of the Roses with Game of Thrones. I do like the actresses who play Margaret Beaufort and Anne Neville though. They really make it for me and I’m hoping things pick up as Richard III comes in to it more.
Still, I am (im)patiently waiting for episode 6 to hit the Internet as I write this Laugh Laugh

July 22, 2013
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Yes well I just sobbed through the end of episode 6.

I don’t like the pacing much either, I am assuming this is an eight episode series so there’s not much time to go, and if it follows the book Edward is going to die soon. I suppose it’s going to be Kingmaker’s Daughter next, but then that would only be one more season.
If HBO had made it there would have been a thousand times more nudity and graphic sex scenes, I don’t know if it would have necessarily been better. Game of Thrones has two massive geeks producing it, and George R.R. Martin heavily involved, which is why I think it is better quality than most of their other stuff. But I have serious issues with their overdone sex and violence.

July 22, 2013
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Yep, you’ve only got to look at the Roman/gladiatorial series which have been aired in recent times to see the thinking: ‘Sex and violence = male viewers’; it works too, as loads of men watch these “historical” programmes nowadays. I suppose we should be grateful for TWQ, flawed as it is, since these are the times when the likes of Only Fools and Horses are apparently suitable for history-channel scheduling…because the programmes were made in the past. Hmm.

July 23, 2013
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I am very disappointed with this – The Wars of the Roses is a fascinating period in English history, just crying out for a good, fact-based drama to get the viewing public interested – but PG’s book and this version is not the way to do it. PG seems obsessed with witchcraft and incest and these come to dominate her characterisation. I wish she would not describe herself as a ‘historian’. She is a writer with an ability to hook a readership with her fiction – but historian she is not. Even her so-called documentary about the ‘real’ people behind her stories is riddled with errors.

Her next book (The White Princess) is about Elizabeth of York and her incestuous affair with her uncle…………..

July 23, 2013
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Sharon said

Boleyn said

SteveJ LOL yeah that’s a good one . S.W.M.N.B.N would have a field day with that storyline.
How did they get those pointy ice cream cone hats to stay up? I should think anyone who was standing close to them when they were bent down would have to be careful they didn’t take someone’s eye out.

How on earth could they bend over at all? Maybe they glued it on to their plucked forehead.

I’ve never understood why woman pluck their eyebrows? They spend time plucking out the hairs which is very painful so I’m told and then pencil them back in. Why? I’ve never plucked my eyebrows and never intend to, I’m happy with what I have. How did they pluck them is another question, did they have tweezers back then?

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July 23, 2013
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Jasmine said

I am very disappointed with this – The Wars of the Roses is a fascinating period in English history, just crying out for a good, fact-based drama to get the viewing public interested – but PG’s book and this version is not the way to do it. PG seems obsessed with witchcraft and incest and these come to dominate her characterisation. I wish she would not describe herself as a ‘historian’. She is a writer with an ability to hook a readership with her fiction – but historian she is not. Even her so-called documentary about the ‘real’ people behind her stories is riddled with errors.

Her next book (The White Princess) is about Elizabeth of York and her incestuous affair with her uncle…………..

I agree Jasmine S.W.M.N.B.N has no right to call herself a bona fide historian. She may have all the credentials but she isn’t a historian. In my opinion she is a writer of historical or hysterical fantasy novels. I would love her to tell me where she sourced her fact of Witchcraft etc, in fact better still I would love to put her in the same room as my brother in law, as he is a Pagan priest.
There are so many holes in her stories that you could strain cabbage with them.

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July 23, 2013
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I’ve never understood why woman pluck their eyebrows? They spend time plucking out the hairs which is very painful so I’m told and then pencil them back in. Why? I’ve never plucked my eyebrows and never intend to, I’m happy with what I have. How did they pluck them is another question, did they have tweezers back then?

Yes they did. THey have found tweezers amongst the personal possessions in Egytpian tombs, the technology for make-up and grooming aids seems to have been around for a long time. Humans appear to have become a very vain species.

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July 23, 2013
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Thank you Anyanka. I know the ancient egyptian also used lead as a cosmetic, I’m not too sure but I believe they used to put drops of it in their eyes to make them shine. Lead was also used as a sweetener I think.
The Victorian woman used to soak fly papers which contained Arsenic, the liquid that they got from the fly papers they used as a face wash to keep their skin soft. Weird or what.

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July 24, 2013
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I’ve found this on You Tube. However I warn you the narrator is S.W.M.N.B.N so best to watch it in small doses and keepa sick bucket handy. Where possible seek medical advice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..-znWjOO3mM

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July 29, 2013
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In last night’s episode: the makers got ’round the problem of depicting buff King Edward in his later & more decadent years by…stuffing a pillow up his tunic. I kid you not. I assumed he was pregnant.

July 29, 2013
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SteveJ said

In last night’s episode: the makers got ’round the problem of depicting buff King Edward in his later & more decadent years by…stuffing a pillow up his tunic. I kid you not. I assumed he was pregnant.

Perhaps that was the idea Steve. Perhaps S.W.M.N.B.N decided at the last minute to write a twist into her fantasy into something even more fantastic. King Edward gives birth to a pillow, father and baby pillow are doing well.

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July 29, 2013
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LaughLaugh

Maybe…it was the pillow Edward used to smother Henry VI(!)
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