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If you could save her, would you?
July 26, 2011
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Louise
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Bill1978 said:

No way would I speak out of turn against Henry. Yes it is a weakness in my character, but I rather Anne die, than both of us.


That's probably the most accurate and honest assessment of the time. And also the reason why Anne died. They say that for evil to survive, all it takes is for good men to do nothing.

However, if we're talking about going back in time, I am very upset and disappointed that no one has pointed out the obvious, namely that that saving her would disturb the time continuum and destroy the universe. Oh yes, I believe everything David Tenant tells me!

July 26, 2011
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If we saved Anne, we would have altered the course of history in that Claire may not have created The Anne Boleyn Files.  Then we wouldn't be here to decide to go back and save her. OK, now my head hurts… 🙂

July 27, 2011
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Bella44 said:

^ OK, that's a plan that could work…..

Then, of course you'd have to have a dinner party for us all E, with Anne and George as honoured guests!


Yes, I may be persuaded to share them… Wink

"A fresh young damsel, who could trip and go"

August 3, 2011
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Louise said:

Bill1978 said:

No way would I speak out of turn against Henry. Yes it is a weakness in my character, but I rather Anne die, than both of us.


That's probably the most accurate and honest assessment of the time. And also the reason why Anne died. They say that for evil to survive, all it takes is for good men to do nothing.

However, if we're talking about going back in time, I am very upset and disappointed that no one has pointed out the obvious, namely that that saving her would disturb the time continuum and destroy the universe. Oh yes, I believe everything David Tenant tells me!


David Tenant is the best Dr in my opinion!Smile

"A fresh young damsel, who could trip and go"

August 12, 2011
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To go back and try to stop Anne from making the 'Henry mistake' would be a waste of time.  She would love him no matter what we said to her. To snatch them out of history just before their deaths is a splendid idea. I agree with everything that was said about Elizabeth being the queen she was because of the life and death of her mother, and her father's actions towards her.

Now would I go back and kill Hitler?  I have thought about this quite a bit. Without hesitation, you bet I would.  I would shoot him dead. And I would hope I got him early enough in his life so that the world would never have heard of him.

 Bella, since I think we would have been born during this time no matter what happened historically…I think you would still be here today.  Smile

August 12, 2011
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Actually it was my mum who was born during the war.  She was what was politely termed at the time “a war baby” – her father being someone who would definitely not have been in New Zealand if it weren't for the Second World War!

It's interesting to think though if WWII never happened what things would be like today….

August 13, 2011
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I would save Anne if at all possible. Saving an innocent life? – no hesitation.

Anne had plenty of qualities which could have continued influencing History, even indirectly. Years passing, Anne might have influenced the Reformation, essentially via intellectual interests. Sparing Anne would also mean that Henry would not have had one more killing to re-nforce the feeling of 'normality' in having loved ones beheaded. Who knows, maybe his 'tyrannic acceleration' noted in the 1530s would not have been as catastrophic. Maybe, even, he'd have accepted to hear Anne in person after after a while. What about being there for her daughter, bringing a little emotional presence to a very, very dark childhood. I'm sure that, at first, Henry would have stood in the way of Anne meeting Elizabeth too often (if at all – we all know what happened with Katherine and Mary). But knowing that a mother is living somewhere make a huge difference to a child.

 

I do not believe that sparing Anne would in anyway rob Elizabeth of developing a strong survivor persona.

Fact is, Elizabeth was lucky to have any form of sanity at all with the
problems we know of added to her mother's death and infamous reputation. The
only psychologically viable explanation is that Elizabeth was naturally
strong. Her mother's death turned extremely tough circumstances into
the childhood from hell. And it left her with deep emotional scars which would have been minimised with Anne around.

Having an extremely dysfunctionnal childhod brings advantages to no-one. All such a childhood brings is the dyslocation of the child's emotions, leading to the development of mental health disorders. Yes, in some (exceptional) indivudials, the strength of the survivor also develops. But a what cost! Mental health suffering is a form of torture. I would do all I can to limit the damage.

In any case, Elizabeth would still get to see enough of the dark side of human nature to develop the necessary strength to make her a great Queen: Anne would be saved but out of favour, Elizabeth would still be made a bastard, Henry would still be the complicated and changeable man/father we know about. Mary would still develop issues with Elizabeth. The Reformation would still establish its difficult roots, with burnings at the stake and other tortures. More than enough to learn life the hard way.

August 22, 2011
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Imagine all the beautiful Abbeys and Monasteries that would be saved if Anne were… Not so many beggars on the streets, perhaps medicine would have advanced as these carers would not all have been ripped up by the roots.

"A fresh young damsel, who could trip and go"

August 30, 2011
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It is so strange to see this post! Over the summer I had a dream that the women on my block and I found a portal through time that opened onto the tower green on that terrible day in May. A couple stayed behind at the opening in our cul-de-sac. Others came through and caused a distraction while 2 of us went up on the scaffold and grabbed her. The weird thing is she kept saying “Henry won't kill me! He is bluffing. He is going to give me a reprieve. He won't go through with it.” We kept telling her “Oh yes he will! He does, he did!  We gotta go! NOW!” We got her through the hole and then she finally looked at our clothes and said “Mon Dieu! WHAT are you wearing?” then I woke up…

 

Kimberly

August 31, 2011
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Sounds like the fantastic start of a novel!

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          Ring the bell and run. He hates that."    

August 31, 2011
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Laughs…so long as we don't go PG about it….and I'm not talking movie classifications.

It's always bunnies.

August 31, 2011
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It could be about her life in the present, knowing what happens with Elizabeth way after the fact. For all that to play out the way it did, I'd have to believe that for whatever reason, Anne was believed to be executed at the time. Maybe some kind of split occurred and she was both here and there at the same time? Anne becomes an instant celebrity in the present having to explain/defend what happened with Henry, KOA, Jane, etc. Plus, she has existential issues. Is the present her the real her? Is she just a clone or copy of the real Anne who died in 1536? Can she fall in love with anyone else or have her experiences with Henry scarred her emotionally? I'd think she'd be very understanding of Elizabeth having such a dim view of marriage.

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Milady12 said:

It is so strange to see this post! Over the summer I had a dream that the women on my block and I found a portal through time that opened onto the tower green on that terrible day in May. A couple stayed behind at the opening in our cul-de-sac. Others came through and caused a distraction while 2 of us went up on the scaffold and grabbed her. The weird thing is she kept saying “Henry won’t kill me! He is bluffing. He is going to give me a reprieve. He won’t go through with it.” We kept telling her “Oh yes he will! He does, he did!  We gotta go! NOW!” We got her through the hole and then she finally looked at our clothes and said “Mon Dieu! WHAT are you wearing?” then I woke up…

 

Kimberly

Thats awesome! And, I imagine, exactly what Anne would say upon witnessing the clothing of today! Great minds dream alikeLaugh

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February 16, 2012
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This a question we all ask. There are many people in history i would have liked to save but then that would be changing history and maybe the world. I would have loved to have saved Anne but i guess it would be for the best if i didn't. ( if u get me Confused)

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