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Anne: Pregnant at the time of her Execution?
December 11, 2009
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Claire
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Alison Weir points out that the bones identified by Dr Mouat as Anne Boleyn may not even be Anne's because Mouat described the chin as being square and full, yet portraits show Anne to have a rather pointed chin, not square. Weir says:

\”It is just possible that the bones thought to be Anne Boleyn's – the diminutive slender female with a square jaw – actually belonged to Katherine Howard, miniatures of whom by Holbein show her with what could be a jutting square jaw.\”

I think we have to remember that the bones of Anne Boleyn, Catherine Howard, Lady Jane Grey and Lady Rochford could all have been mixed up over time, so could we ever be sure that it was Anne that was being reconstructed.

I'm not sure I like the idea of the peace of St Peter ad Vincula's being shattered by digging up the remains. I know that people often argue that Anne should be moved and buried properly as a Queen, but I think things should be left as they are. She is at peace, she is with her maker and her resting place at St Peter ad Vincula is part of her story and speaks to the people who visit.

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June 13, 2010
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Does anyone have any links about the excavation of:  St. Peter ad Vincula? I have been searching and have not found anything that goes into any specific detail!

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August 25, 2010
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I'm a little late to this thread, forgive me.

I did things backward. I read The Lady in the Tower first and then Henry Henry VIII. The note about the theory of Anne being pregnant gave me a mixed reaction: I was very skeptical but also very curious to see what evidence Weir had to back up her claim. I was not very impressed and could see why she retracted it.

Even if Anne had been pregnant, I do not think it would have saved her. Cromwell's damage was done.

August 25, 2010
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Since we are talking about the body of Anne and forensics to see if she was pregnant, which I don't believe she was, I might as well ask this here.  I read (God knows where) that Anne was buried in an elm chest of sorts.  I believe I have read that in multiple places.  Is this true as it doesn't seem anyone here has mentioned it?  Wouldn't that have helped Anne being identified and also helped to preserve her bones?

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August 25, 2010
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TeamAnne, Anne was buried in an arrowchest with her head atop her body because it was too short for her body plus her head. There was not a coffin made for her because there was not enough time.

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August 26, 2010
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I have the 1877 book – Doyne C Bell's “Notices of the Historic Persons Buried in the Chapel of St Peter ad Vincula” – which is a record of the 1876 Victorian renovation of the chapel with full reports of the excavations, examinations of the skeletons etc. I am going to write an article on this but in the place where they expected to find Anne Boleyn (in the chancel, in front of the altar)) they found the bones of a female “not lying in the original order, but which had evidently for some reason or other been heaped together into a smaller space”. Bell goes on to say that Dr Mouat examined the bones and “pronounced them to be those of a female of between twenty-five and thirty years of age, of a delicate frame of body, and who had been of slender and perfect proportions…”. No other female remains were found on that spot.

From reading through the records of the exhumations, there is no record of any of the bodies from the 16th century being found in coffins and it was thought that some coffins were purposely broken up so that more bodies could be buried at the Chapel. I'm not an archaeologist, but I'm not sure that the elm chest would have survived that long anyway.

The remains of the people exhumed from the chancel in November 1876 – including Anne Boleyn, Jane Boleyn, Margaret Pole, the Duke of Northumberland (John Dudley) and the Duke of Monmouth were put into separate thick, leaden coffers engraved with their names, date of death and the year of re-interment (1877) and then “placed in the respective positions in the chancel in which the remains had been found”.

Hope that helps.

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August 26, 2010
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Thanks boleynfan and Claire!  I can't wait to read that article Claire.  I am glad I got the chest thing right and yeah I guess it wouldn't last that long with erosion and what not, darn.  I asked a questions about DNA for the Q&A section so I hope it gets posted and answered.  If not, I will just ask it here!  Smile

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August 26, 2010
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An interesting read Claire, I will also be waiting with baited breath for your article.

If it was not this, then it would be something else?

August 26, 2010
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Wait …Claire, “no other female remains were found on that spot.”  Where the heck are Catherine and Jane then?  I thought they were all together.  I'm confused. 

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