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8:48 am
January 3, 2012
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Louise I second Bill’s thoughts.. You have certainly opened my eyes about George. I sort of got him down as a bit of a coward perhaps and really only shone because of Anne, and that he did beat his wife etc. But I’ve seen a different side to him, He was a gentle caring sort of guy, certainly not thick by any stroke of the imagination. PG. does seem to have a habit of making up facts to fit what she she’s in a person TOBG book I wanted to throw out of the window, as PG seem to stoop to using words which I felt were not around in the 15th or 16th century and if they were they would have only been heard in the lowest of the low brothel houses, and neither Anne, George or Mary or anyone of courtly circles would have ever visited them. It sometimes strikes me that PG at times just can’t be bothered to do the research on a topic, and take into account the facts that Authors such as Claire and Louise have taken the time to research and write about, and perhaps find a happy medium between the 2 points of view.
Homosexuality was punishable by death I believe, there were probably those who were homosexual, but amongst the plebian sociaty it was probably much easier to hide, with in court circles if any person was Gay it would certainly be remarked upon at some point in time, as although the court was a big place, it was tiny where gossip was concerned. For instance the lowest servent of all would know what time Henry went to the toilet that morning, and if he broke wind in Chapel. So much the same could be said of the ridiculous idea that George was Gay or Bi sexual. it wouldn’t have gone un-noticed for long.
Was George at court before Anne? and did Anne come straight to court from France or did she go back to Hever first for a bit of R and R, before being sent for? That’s something to be aware of too. If George was at court before Anne he certainly would have made his own circle of freinds and put his stamp on his place in court too, Henry wasn’t stupid he liked to have people about him with something between their ears and George wouldn’t have been a member of the Privy Seal if he was clever or gifted.
In short I rather think the history books where George Boleyn is concerned should be re written or at least updated and give the guy a bit of credit for the fact that he went to his grave just because he loved his sister Anne, and was an Innocent victim like Anne in a sick plot hatched by Cromwell to get rid of a Queen who had given him the rough edge of his tongue.
The tub of lard that Henry became would have no way slain Anne like he did if Cromwell hadn’t of kept hen pecking him to do so. Henry Loved Anne and he never forgot or forgave Cromwell or himself for what he did.
Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod
9:01 pm
November 18, 2010
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re George and him being a wife-beater…I don’t think George was a wife-beater, in our sense of the term.or even by the standards of the time.
In that society at that time…it wasn’t considered a bad thing. A husband had the power to discipline his family in ways that to our modern eyes are beyond the pale and not acceptable.
The accounts of the Duchess of Norfolk against her husband make for an intereasting view of how much power a man had over his family.
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8:31 am
February 24, 2010
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Boleyn,
George was at court before Anne.
He was in a Christmas pageant with his father in 1514/15. He would have been about 10 yrs old. He became a page to Henry when he was 11 or 12. At the same time he was continuing his education. Thomas was educating George to follow in his footsteps as a diplomat in service to the king.
Anne returned to England in late 1521. She was at court in March of 1522 where she participated in the pageant, assault on the Chateau Vert. George had been at court nearly six years before his sister. Enough time for his own abilities to be seen and appreciated by Henry.
1:22 pm
January 3, 2012
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Sharon said
Boleyn,
George was at court before Anne.
He was in a Christmas pageant with his father in 1514/15. He would have been about 10 yrs old. He became a page to Henry when he was 11 or 12. At the same time he was continuing his education. Thomas was educating George to follow in his footsteps as a diplomat in service to the king.
Anne returned to England in late 1521. She was at court in March of 1522 where she participated in the pageant, assault on the Chateau Vert. George had been at court nearly six years before his sister. Enough time for his own abilities to be seen and appreciated by Henry.
Thank you Sharon, George was well used to moving within courtly circles, and now I’ve read what your’ve said it does seem very obvisous that that was what Thomas was expecting George to do, and it would certainly make a lot of sence, as George would be used to court intriques and in court politics. Thomas couldn’t go on forever being an ambassador to one court or another so why not get George trained up to do his job.
Anne too would have been used to the in court intriques and court politics, but from the French perspective. I’d certainly like to be privy to one of their conversations when comparing the French and English courts. I agree about George being noted for his abilities with Henry, I think like his sister he had that spark, that made them noticable without actually appearing to. Which of course makes his death all the more tragic.
Anne and George were unique. It’s a shame that neither of them lived long enough to fulfil their dreams, or perhaps with their deaths they had.
It sounds stupid I know but perhaps Anne’s death did influence Elizabeth’s life in some small way, as she was another one who was a remarkable and unique woman, who perhaps wouldn’t have had all that brilliance if her mother and/or her uncle George had lived. Did Jane Boleyn actually have anything to do with Elizabeth?
Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod
8:36 am
March 28, 2012
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My Lord Rochford was the most stable, loyal and loving friend and beloved brother to his sister Anne the queen. No better brother on earth than he had been to her.
Until death do us part. 
1:16 pm
May 16, 2011
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I think it’s so unfair that people have made him something he’s not over the years just like with Anne. I’ve always read he was handsome and quite the ladies man and nothing more. It’s stupid that he was dragged into the whole mess and he died for no reason. Brothers and sister’s kiss and hug and the fact that they turned that love into something wrong is disgusting on they’re part. I can’t imagine how confused George must of been. It’s horrible. And although I know Anne was innocent too but seriously why did they bring George into it? It makes no sense. I’m suprised they didn’t accuse her father and uncle too….
• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.
2:31 pm
May 7, 2010
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I don’t think George would have been confused. His intelligence makes me think from his arrest on May 2nd (was it the 2nd) that George of all those involved probably understood it all very quickly. He knew they were doomed and the charge(s) meant nothing, they could be incest and treason, overdue library book or not paying his stabling bill, he was a dead man as were they all and he could see it. From his demeanour in the court hearing to his speech on the scaffold George was aware of they whys and what have you. He knew there was no point fighting what couldn’t be fought. It was all a done deal and he could see that. He was still young ish and very brave keeping his dignity which just makes your heart break for him.
Let us show them that they are hares and foxes trying to rule over dogs and wolves - Boudica addressing the tribes Circa AD60
2:44 pm
June 7, 2010
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I imagine his biggest fear after his arrest was his sister’s condition and treatment. I believe he loved her above all others, and vice versa. He is the kind of brother I would want to have, if I was blessed with one. He was Anne’s champion and advocate, even when other abandonded her. It is sad that his legacy was tained with false accusations, which has taken centuried to try and undo. There is still much work to be done, since rumours of him still persist.
It seems with his keen intelligence and insider knowledge of court life, he knew what his fate would be after his arrest. Although, he and Anne eloquently defended themselves against all charges, he must have known he was a dead man walking. I read somewhere that George wanted to settle all his debts before his death. Until the end, he was more concerned for others.
"By daily proof you shall find me to be to you both loving and kind" Anne Boleyn
3:58 pm
May 16, 2011
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I meant confused as like ‘why is this happening to me and my sister’?
George, of all people, knew the inside details of Anne and Henry’s relationship, he probably wondered why death and not just a nunnery like everyone else had.
• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.
8:53 am
March 28, 2012
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George knew and understood before Anne what was really happening. There was only one way to walk, and that was straight to the block. They died with dignity and courage, and this is how they are remembered today. A lord and a queen in life, as in death.
3:46 pm
April 9, 2011
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I caught The Other Boelyn Girl on TV last night and though to myself it will help pass the time in the background. I totally forgot just how terrible he is represented in the movie. At the start of the movie he seems like a loving caring brother but by the end he is a massive wimp, unlike the real man. But considering nearly everybody in the film is presented as someone they weren’t I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by George’s reaction to his pending death in the film.
10:39 am
March 28, 2012
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To me, George and Anne looked straight into death’s ‘eyes’ without flinching, and their courage must have been wonderful to behold. They accepted their common destiny heads held high, and to me, that proves their innocence if nothing else. And I dare anyone to say different!
9:55 am
December 5, 2009
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This is George Boleyn. Or so we are told by fiction writers and the Weir. I’m not going into the whole homo/bisexual thing. There’s no evidence for it, but even if it were true it shouldn’t be seen as a negative.
The Weir…..Probably rapist and wife abuser.
Phillipa Gregory……A coward who has to be dragged to his execution and screams as the axe falls.
Hilary Mantel……A man who would have sez with anything, whether male, female or animal. A foolish hanger-on. An arrogant, rude, unpleasant, pointless lindividual who spents all his time smirking. A coward who cries at his trial.
Michael Hirst…..All as portrayed by Mantel, but additionally a wife abuser and rapist.
Nancy Bilyeau…..Woman abuser and violent rapist
Laura Naverre….a braggart and spendthrift, a ne’er-do-well idler who served no function save to play passable music and annoy those around him. Yes , she actually says this in a book entitled ‘The Devils Mistress’.
I could go on and on and on and on…….
It gets worse and worse with each book in which he appears. His wife continues to be the one who provides evidence against the Boleyns, but gradually the blame for her doing so is being switched onto her husband. After all, if I was married to such a monster, I’d give evidence against him as well.
1:45 pm
October 28, 2011
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Sorry Lou I don’t mean to be argumentative but George’s execution wasn’t actually depicted in the book TOBG. The trial depiction was brief and didn’t include him crying or snivelling either. You can blame the movie makers for introducing that because it wasn’t in the book. And then blame Michael Hirst. The Tudors is what I mainly blame for everything.
You can blame PG for introducing the homosexual theory to a more commercial audience which then bought all of the bigots out of the closet to decide if he was homosexual then he must be a deranged and violent pervert. Yes I said bigots. I’m sorry if anyone has a problem with that but that’s what I think.
7:02 am
December 30, 2009
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The charge of incest was, I believe, intended to show the world what a depraved woman Anne was and how only by witchcraft or other terrible crimes could Henry have been so taken in.
A similar thing was tried at the trial of Marie Antoinette, who was accused of incest with her son, the Dauphin. If you remember, ‘they’ had made the Dauphin confess to it somehow. It backfired there, because Marie Antoinetter defended herself vigorously against it and appealed to all the mothers in the courtroom who, perhaps surprisingly, rallied to her appeal.
10:23 am
January 3, 2012
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Jasmine.. Yes the incest charge was perpostious it was intended to blacken both Anne and George’s name’s but I also think it was intended to blacken the Boleyn name as well. Either way it failed, because if memory serves although Thomas was disgraced for a while, and sent back to Hever he did have a walk on part in little Eddy’s christening, and as we know Jane Boleyn was in Queen Jane’s houshold, AOC household and K.H household. I think in some ways Henry realised that if he would have been a fool to kill Thomas and Jane. The fact that Thomas was reduced to having just 1 child (In Tudor eyes a useless girl) was enough of a humiliation. Plus whatever Henry believed George and Anne did or didn’t do, Thomas was a trusted diplomat, and was good at his job.
Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod
10:50 am
December 5, 2009
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Olga said
Sorry Lou I don’t mean to be argumentative but George’s execution wasn’t actually depicted in the book TOBG. The trial depiction was brief and didn’t include him crying or snivelling either. You can blame the movie makers for introducing that because it wasn’t in the book. And then blame Michael Hirst. The Tudors is what I mainly blame for everything.
You can blame PG for introducing the homosexual theory to a more commercial audience which then bought all of the bigots out of the closet to decide if he was homosexual then he must be a deranged and violent pervert. Yes I said bigots. I’m sorry if anyone has a problem with that but that’s what I think.
As far as I know Gregory was an adviser on the movie. She should never as a supposed ‘historian’ have allowed that to have happened. Better for it not to have been shown at all. And how could I have forgotten!!! Of course, Anne and George were guilty of incest in the book. What an oversight.
1:36 pm
January 3, 2012
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Louise said
Olga said
Sorry Lou I don’t mean to be argumentative but George’s execution wasn’t actually depicted in the book TOBG. The trial depiction was brief and didn’t include him crying or snivelling either. You can blame the movie makers for introducing that because it wasn’t in the book. And then blame Michael Hirst. The Tudors is what I mainly blame for everything.
You can blame PG for introducing the homosexual theory to a more commercial audience which then bought all of the bigots out of the closet to decide if he was homosexual then he must be a deranged and violent pervert. Yes I said bigots. I’m sorry if anyone has a problem with that but that’s what I think.As far as I know Gregory was an adviser on the movie. She should never as a supposed ‘historian’ have allowed that to have happened. Better for it not to have been shown at all. And how could I have forgotten!!! Of course, Anne and George were guilty of incest in the book. What an oversight.
As far as SWMNBN tiny mind was and is concerned George was a rampant sexual pervert, and Anne was a bigger harlot than her sister.. These are her thoughts not mine.. The woman is a complete joke.. I haven’t got over her farcical radio interview yet.. What was it now? “Probably, definetely guilty etc” Grrrrr the woman is an idiot not a historian.
At least when The Tudors were made they did use a credible and trustworthy historian, Dr Dave and although there were a lot of misinterpretations and a lot of poetic libeties taken, it was fairly believable and enjoyable.
The first interpretation of TOBG really made me jump up and down in a rage, and made steam come out of my ears, what the hell were they playing at? The annoying creaking gate noise that seemed to proceed every tense or dramatic scene was irritating to say the least. The second interpretation was marginally better, but still was very annoying in the sence of how Anne and George were portrayed.
I wouldn’t ask SWMNBN for advice on how to treat a boil on the bum to be honest.If it was an oversight it was a very big one and completely unneccessary
Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod
11:22 pm
October 28, 2011
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Yes Lou, and David Starkey was a consultant on the Tudors. Doesn’t mean they get to write the scripts. And I will say again that in the book Mary Boleyn thinks George and Anne were capable of incest, and if you read the next book Mary’s daughter firmly says Anne was not guilty of any of it. It’s supposed to be based on the perspective of the charcters.
And no Bo, George is not a “sexual pervert” in TOBG. He is gay. That doesn’t make him a sexual pervert.
Obviously the Tudors must be more believable though, since Mantel and Weir seem to lift a lot of material from it.
yes now I am being argumentative. Get out your feather dusters I’m sure I deserve it.
8:30 am
February 16, 2009
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David Starkey was not a consultant on The Tudors, he hated it and was all over the press saying that it brought shame on the BBC for televising it. Justin Pollard was the historian consultant for all four series of The Tudors. Just thought I’d clear that up as Starkey would have smoke coming out of his ears if he read that!
Debunking the myths about Anne Boleyn
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