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Anne's mother?
November 13, 2011
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Mya Elise
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How come Anne's mother, Elizabeth Boleyn wasn't mentioned in The Tudors. Her name was never brought up.

Elizabeth was certainly alive when Anne was and she was still married to Thomas so how come she neither was brought up or shown?

They could've used that Henry and Mother rumor relationship on their show for entertainment sake.

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November 24, 2011
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But if we couldn't cope with 2 Princess Marys, how could we cope with an elder Elizabeth???Laugh

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November 25, 2011
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I still thought it was silly to make Henry's sister a combination of the two real sisters. They could of made it clear which Mary was which. And same with Elizabeth's, one is Anne's daughter the other is her mother. BIG difference.

And with Mary's – one is his sister, the other is his daughter. It's really not hard to figure out.

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November 26, 2011
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Sadly some peeps are not as discriminating as us and those are the tv execs…poor chaps….

 

Of course the true gents here know their history(herstory…LOL!)

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November 28, 2011
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But they didn’t think we would have any problems sorting out all those Thomases! LOL. Anne’s mother was mentioned only once in The Tudors, IIRC, and that indirectly. When Anne is in the Tower, she says, referring to she and George both being arrested and most likely already condemned, “My poor mother will die of grief.” She apparently knew better than to worry about how her father would take it. [/cynic]

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November 28, 2011
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Exactly! They had Thomas Wolsey, Thomas Howard, Thomas Boleyn, Thomas Wyatt, Thomas Moore and probably more but i can't think of all of'em right now. One more Elizabeth and having both Henry's sisters would of been all right, obviously people understood which Thomas was who.

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November 28, 2011
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I will admit I often struggled to tell the difference between Cromwell and More as the actors appear similar to me.

 

Had no idea how many bloody Thomases there were in Tuodr history LOL. And I still can't believe that studio execs would think the viewers would know the difference between an Adult Mary and a young Mary. For crying out loud by merging the sisters you wipe out the awesome history of Jane Grey and Mary, Queen Of Scots. Actually if I remember correctly what they did means the Stuarts never get on the throne. Correct?

If only Elizabeth Boleyn were there to help sort things out with a pointer and a blackboard.

November 28, 2011
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Mya-Elise. said:

Exactly! They had Thomas Wolsey, Thomas Howard, Thomas Boleyn, Thomas Wyatt, Thomas Moore and probably more but i can't think of all of'em right now. One more Elizabeth and having both Henry's sisters would of been all right, obviously people understood which Thomas was who.

Admittedly, Henry did keep culling his Thomas's every couple of years.

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January 18, 2013
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I noticed that in most tv shows and movies. Elizabeth Boleyn either isn’t in it at all or is only given a token scene every now and again. She barely says anything either so you almost never get her opinion on events.

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January 19, 2013
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Anne of One Thousand Days is one of the few examples where Elizabeth is a prominent character.

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January 19, 2013
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Anyanka said

Anne of One Thousand Days is one of the few examples where Elizabeth is a prominent character.

She was in the Other Boleyn girl films too.

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January 19, 2013
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I think the reason she wasn’t mentioned in the Tudors was because they perhaps felt she would be a little boring compared with the rest of the cast.
Historically speaking we know very little of Elizabeth Boleyn, but I feel that Anne and she had a close relationship. I remember reading somewhere years ago, that when Anne was taken to the tower and was told of the ridiculous charges that were levelled at her she said something like “This will kill my mother.” E.B was I believe at court during the later years of H7 reign but left either shortly before or after Anne was born, and there were rumours that at one point she was Henry’s mistress and that Anne was possibly his daughter.. I don’t think so somehow.
We don’t know Anne actual date of birth, but some historians place her birth between 1501/1507, in which case Henry would have been 15/16 and E.B around 21 to 26 as she was born in 1480, and would have perhaps left the court shortly after her marriage to Thomas in 1498.
E.B when she married would be expected to do her wifely duty and run the home and have babies whilst T.B would be busy building up the family name ect.
Did T.B have any affairs when he was away from Hever on diplomatic business abroad?

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January 19, 2013
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If, and it’s a big IF…Henry was Anne’s father, he would have been aged between 10 and 15 for a supposed birthdate of 1501-1505. We know that there have been a few 11 yo boys who have fathered children, it is thankfully very rare. A 15 yo is certainly more than capable of being a father..

However we know from Henry’s contemperaries that H7 keep his son close to him and under strict guardianship by his tutors so I strongly doubt Henry could have had a long term relationship with EB or even had a few knee-tremblers in a corridor somewhere.

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January 19, 2013
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Anyanka said

If, and it’s a big IF…Henry was Anne’s father, he would have been aged between 10 and 15 for a supposed birthdate of 1501-1505. We know that there have been a few 11 yo boys who have fathered children, it is thankfully very rare. A 15 yo is certainly more than capable of being a father..

However we know from Henry’s contemperaries that H7 keep his son close to him and under strict guardianship by his tutors so I strongly doubt Henry could have had a long term relationship with EB or even had a few knee-tremblers in a corridor somewhere.

Very true Anyanka. Poor H junior was kept on a very tight reign after Arthur’s death. I actually feel quite sorry for him during this period of his life. It can’t have been easy for him to have been shut up like this considering that before Arthur died he was more or less free to come and go as he pleased. I suppose looking at it from that perspective you can kind of understand how and why he turned out as he did.
I am sure that most of Henry’s problems came from this period of his life. He must have felt like a caged animal and I don’t think H7 was particulary fond of him, as he was so different from himself. Henry Junior to my mind anyway was too like his Yorkist ancester Edward 1V, and that bothered H7.

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January 20, 2013
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There is not much to know about Elizabeth. She did come to court with Anne as chaperone when Henry finally talked Anne into marrying him. Anne and her mother were close. Court was an ugly place with rumors abounding. Henry himself denied having an affair with Elizabeth. I find the fact that he even had to deny a relationship with Elizabeth disturbing. What a horrible place his court was.

Henry VII did keep Henry close, but more to protect him from illness and harm. The two Henry’s were together quite often. They were always seen laughing and talking together. Henry VII seemed to love his son very much. Henry VIII was the one who chafed under his father’s control. This certainly formed Henry’s later attitude towards anyone who tried to tell him what to do. I think he learned how to placate others who gave advice, and filed it away for future use. He listened to his father, but did not always agree with him, and he kept his thoughts to himself knowing that one day he would make the decisions, and there would be no one to say no to him. I can’t blame Henry VII for what Henry VIII became. That’s all on him.

January 20, 2013
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To be honest, I have always thought that remark was some kind of Freudian slip.

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January 21, 2013
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“Never with the Mother.”
HAH! Anyanka, Smile Sounds right to me!

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