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What happened to Anne's dead babies?
March 28, 2011
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I have an interesting question: what do you think happened to Anne's stillborn babies? Did somebody actually bury them in the palace garden (wrapped in some kind of cloth) or throw them on the fire?

March 28, 2011
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Hmmm, not totally sure but I would think they were buried.  Cremation (even for an unbaptized still-born baby) wasn't a usual Christian practice of the time.  Katherine of Aragon would have had the same problem and I'm not sure but her eldest son Prince Henry may have been buried in Westminster Abbey.  

I know Queen Anne (1702?-1714) had an awful history of still births and babies dying in infancy and I think a lot of them were placed in Mary Queen of Scots' vault.  Also I think one of them was buried with Henry and Jane Seymour in St. Georges Chapel in Windsor.

March 28, 2011
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Bella44 said:

Hmmm, not totally sure but I would think they were buried.  Cremation (even for an unbaptized still-born baby) wasn't a usual Christian practice of the time.  Katherine of Aragon would have had the same problem and I'm not sure but her eldest son Prince Henry may have been buried in Westminster Abbey.  

I know Queen Anne (1702?-1714) had an awful history of still births and babies dying in infancy and I think a lot of them were placed in Mary Queen of Scots' vault.  Also I think one of them was buried with Henry and Jane Seymour in St. Georges Chapel in Windsor.


Thanks for your wise answer! 🙂  Though I meant Anne Boleyn….

March 29, 2011
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Toucansandpugs said:

I have an interesting question: what do you think happened to Anne's stillborn babies? Did somebody actually bury them in the palace garden (wrapped in some kind of cloth) or throw them on the fire?


 

The foetuses would have been buried in consecrated ground. Unfortunately nothing is recorded about the matter for several reasons – a) the King (and Anne) naturally did not wish to draw attention to the miscarriages for political and personal reasons so the event was kept as quiet as possible, and b) the importance of a deceased unborn child was not on par with one which had lived long enough to be baptised. So Anne’s children would have been buried privately and quickly.

 

I’m curious as to why you mention that they were buried in a garden. This was highly unorthodox and sacrilegious. There is no reason to believe Henry or Anne destroyed the foetuses through cremation (which was not practised as Bella44 states), or had them unceremoniously buried in unconsecrated ground. Naturally we would know more about the burials had each child been born alive and died shortly after (like the infant Prince Henry, son of Katherine of Aragon and Henry VIII).

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March 29, 2011
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 I was raised Catholic.  When a baby was lost by miscarriage or they were stillborn, the remains were buried in the cemetery, but not in consecrated ground.  The reason was they could not be baptised since they were not alive when birthed.  They had the stain of original sin still upon them and could not be buried in consecrated ground.  Canon law changed this policy in 1983.  I do not  know if this was the practice in Anne's time.  The cemetary where my family is buried, has a plot of land away from the rest of the cemetary where the babies are buried.

March 29, 2011
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Sharon said:

 I was raised Catholic.  When a baby was lost by miscarriage or they were stillborn, the remains were buried in the cemetery, but not in consecrated ground.  The reason was they could not be baptised since they were not alive when birthed.  They had the stain of original sin still upon them and could not be buried in consecrated ground.  Canon law changed this policy in 1983.  I do not  know if this was the practice in Anne's time.  The cemetary where my family is buried, has a plot of land away from the rest of the cemetary where the babies are buried.


 

Interesting. 

I imagine that the burial of a child miscarried was dealt with by women, namely midwives and other female attendants. Would they not have secured burial somewhere ‘official’? Burial in a garden seems hardly appropriate; leaving aside the topic of the stain of original sin, in Anne's case this was the issue of the King (and head of the church), and rules for him were often different than for others. Surely his issue was given some discreet burial somewhere 'proper'?

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Her eyes could ev'n more surely woo;"

March 30, 2011
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Most, if not all, roayl palaces had chapels attached to them. It makes more sence to me that they would have buried any unborn children there or in the grounds of the chapel rather than in a garden.

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March 30, 2011
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Thanks for all your answers! 🙂 I feel like I've learned a thing or two.

March 30, 2011
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Toucansandpugs said:


Thanks for your wise answer! 🙂  Though I meant Anne Boleyn….
 

Oh, I know – I was just using Queen Anne as an example!  Also royal burial vaults were re-used and in the case of still-born babies and infants they wouldn't have taken up too much room.

But Anne Boleyn's case is especially hard as only two pregnancies of hers were recorded, resulting first, in Elizabeth and second, her miscarriage of 1536.  If Anne were pregnant in 1534 (I tend to think she was) and 1535 (not so sure) then their outcomes were either not recorded and the whole thing hushed up, or any written evidence of the fact has since been lost.  I also tend to think any miscarried babies/stillborn children (especially of Anne Boleyns) would have been buried hastily, perhaps the church/chapel closest to where the miscarriage took place.


March 31, 2011
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Nasim said:

Sharon said:

 I was raised Catholic.  When a baby was lost by miscarriage or they were stillborn, the remains were buried in the cemetery, but not in consecrated ground.  The reason was they could not be baptised since they were not alive when birthed.  They had the stain of original sin still upon them and could not be buried in consecrated ground.  Canon law changed this policy in 1983.  I do not  know if this was the practice in Anne's time.  The cemetary where my family is buried, has a plot of land away from the rest of the cemetary where the babies are buried.


 

Interesting. 

I imagine that the burial of a child miscarried was dealt with by women, namely midwives and other female attendants. Would they not have secured burial somewhere ‘official’? Burial in a garden seems hardly appropriate; leaving aside the topic of the stain of original sin, in Anne's case this was the issue of the King (and head of the church), and rules for him were often different than for others. Surely his issue was given some discreet burial somewhere 'proper'?


I'm sure that the miscarried children of Anne and Henry were officially buried somewhere proper.  I didn't mean to imply they weren't.  I was just thinking out loud.  For certain they would not have been discarded or buried in a garden.

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