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7:39 am
November 18, 2010
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Impish_Impulse said:
Bella44 said:
Anne's clothes would have gone to her ladies and perhaps even the executioner himself, as it was customary for the headsman to receive a criminals clothes as part of their pay. But I think her belongings goings to her ladies in Anne's case more likely.
In most cases, I believe that the clothing, etc. would have been part of the executioner's pay. But I thought that in this case, Henry actually 'redeemed' her belongings by paying their value in money, instead. I always wondered if it was because he didn't want any souvenirs or relics of Anne floating around, if he wished to destroy them, or if he offered them to Jane. There's evidence that Elizabeth may have received some of her mother's jewels. I'm going to have to hunt for where I read that.
ETA: Found it. In the footnotes of Ives' The Life and Death of Anne Boleyn, note #10 for Chapter 24: Finale.“The Crown redeemed Anne's jewels and apparel from Kingston for £100.”
I read somewhere that one of the reasons the clothing was bought was due to the clothing laws. Only high ranking levels of society could wear velvet for example.
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1:19 am
August 12, 2009
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Anyanka said:
I read somewhere that one of the reasons the clothing was bought was due to the clothing laws. Only high ranking levels of society could wear velvet for example.
The Sumptuary Laws? So, if the executed was of a lower class, their clothes could be taken as payment, but if the clothes were 'too fine', then they would get the value of the clothes in money, instead? That makes sense, in a twisted Tudors-logic sort of way.
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Ring the bell and run. He hates that."
5:21 pm
January 9, 2010
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Impish_Impulse said:
ETA: Found it. In the footnotes of Ives' The Life and Death of Anne Boleyn, note #10 for Chapter 24: Finale.“The Crown redeemed Anne's jewels and apparel from Kingston for £100.”
Thanks Impish, well spotted! I definitely need to re-read it, heh!
I'm wondering if the sumptuary laws covered executions, would the Crown receive the clothes of other high born executed nobles as well?
6:14 pm
June 19, 2009
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I don't think that caskets for burial were used 500 years ago, so the arrow box might not have seemed so inappropriate at that time. However there have been calls to have Anne re buried with the dignity fitting a Queen. Catherine Howard's body was apparently, on Henry's instructions, covered in lime. A final insult as her body would have burned from the lime.
If it was not this, then it would be something else?
8:51 pm
November 18, 2010
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Bella44 said:
Impish_Impulse said:
ETA: Found it. In the footnotes of Ives' The Life and Death of Anne Boleyn, note #10 for Chapter 24: Finale.“The Crown redeemed Anne's jewels and apparel from Kingston for £100.”Thanks Impish, well spotted! I definitely need to re-read it, heh!
I'm wondering if the sumptuary laws covered executions, would the Crown receive the clothes of other high born executed nobles as well?
I'm guessing not. I would expect the crown would want the executed family to provide suitable, non luxurious clothes or to redeem those that would have become part of the fees.
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9:50 pm
February 8, 2011
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Does anyone else think that it might been deliberately done to her? Henry was so sick in the head that I'm sure he legitimately believed Anne was a witch who had used, cheated and defiled him in the worst way possible. Why would he call for someone to make sure she was given a proper burial when he held that much hatred for her?
I personally think he did it to snub her and got beautiful karma when his own monument for his tomb was neglected by his children and replaced with a simple plaque.
By the way, does anyone know what the arrow chest looked like? And what about her clothing? I've never been able to find much information on the finding of her remains but I've always wondered, she was executed in a gown but was the gown removed & burned (surely the gown she was executed in wouldn't have gone to anyone for payment…Atleast I hope not, that's just sick) while she was laid to rest in something more simple? Actually…any information about the findings of her remains would be really appreciated!
12:31 pm
February 24, 2010
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Chrystinamarie123 said:
By the way, does anyone know what the arrow chest looked like? And what about her clothing? I've never been able to find much information on the finding of her remains but I've always wondered, she was executed in a gown but was the gown removed & burned (surely the gown she was executed in wouldn't have gone to anyone for payment…Atleast I hope not, that's just sick) while she was laid to rest in something more simple? Actually…any information about the findings of her remains would be really appreciated!
Impish_Impulse said:
ETA: Found it. In the footnotes of Ives' The Life and Death of Anne Boleyn, note #10 for Chapter 24: Finale.
“The Crown redeemed Anne's jewels and apparel from Kingston for £100.”
From Eric Ives' book, The life and Death of Anne Boleyn: “Almost, it seemed, in slow motion, the ladies in waiting covered Anne. Then one with the head in a white cloth, quickly red, and the other three with the body wrapped in a sheet, they carried the queen unaided the seventy yards or so into the chapel of St Peter, past the two newly filled graves, Norris and Weston, Brereton and Smeton. There the clothes were removed-the Tower claimed its perquisites even from a queen-and the corpse was placed in an elm chest which contained bow-staves for Ireland, but was now to go no further than the chancel of the chapel. There near her brother, Anne Boleyn was buried, three years and thirty seven days after she had 'first dined abroad as queen' on Easter Sunday 1533.”
I hope this helps. 
BTW, welcome to the ABFiles forum!
5:24 pm
February 8, 2011
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Sharon said:
Chrystinamarie123 said:
By the way, does anyone know what the arrow chest looked like? And what about her clothing? I've never been able to find much information on the finding of her remains but I've always wondered, she was executed in a gown but was the gown removed & burned (surely the gown she was executed in wouldn't have gone to anyone for payment…Atleast I hope not, that's just sick) while she was laid to rest in something more simple? Actually…any information about the findings of her remains would be really appreciated!
Impish_Impulse said:
ETA: Found it. In the footnotes of Ives' The Life and Death of Anne Boleyn, note #10 for Chapter 24: Finale.
“The Crown redeemed Anne's jewels and apparel from Kingston for £100.”
From Eric Ives' book, The life and Death of Anne Boleyn: “Almost, it seemed, in slow motion, the ladies in waiting covered Anne. Then one with the head in a white cloth, quickly red, and the other three with the body wrapped in a sheet, they carried the queen unaided the seventy yards or so into the chapel of St Peter, past the two newly filled graves, Norris and Weston, Brereton and Smeton. There the clothes were removed-the Tower claimed its perquisites even from a queen-and the corpse was placed in an elm chest which contained bow-staves for Ireland, but was now to go no further than the chancel of the chapel. There near her brother, Anne Boleyn was buried, three years and thirty seven days after she had 'first dined abroad as queen' on Easter Sunday 1533.”
I hope this helps.
