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Did Henry truly believe Anne was guilty??
November 26, 2011
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KarleeBoleyn
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I think, if we're going by the show, he really did believe she was guilty. I mean, he cried in Charles Brandon's (Henry Cavill) lap because he thought she had slept with over 100 men and Elizabeth wasn't his. If we're going by real life, well, I guess we'll never know! (; Discuss?

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November 26, 2011
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IMHO, no he didn't but his desire for another wife meant he was prepared to sanction any and all  attempts to remove Anne…

 

he was easily lead by his concience…apparently…

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November 26, 2011
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Anyanka said:

IMHO, no he didn't but his desire for another wife meant he was prepared to sanction any and all  attempts to remove Anne…

 

he was easily lead by his concience…apparently…

 

Haha. By his concience I assume you mean something else ^^ (;

Yes, I agree. After all, look at all he went through to get rid of KOA, and if he really thought the marriage was a sin, he would've ended it long ago, no?

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November 26, 2011
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It was such a tender organ….double entrendres meant! snerk!

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November 27, 2011
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Henry was born with a medical condition, in that his brain was housed in his cod piece.  For this we must pity the poor fellow, as his constant excessive, vigorous exercise with the ladies obviously caused some kind of “brain” damage…

"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

November 27, 2011
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Going by just the show? Yeah, he definately thought Anne was guilty. He cried and everything but very fastly got over it (werid,eh?). I felt sympathy for Jonathan's Henry seeing him cry like that and i inwardly begged Cavill's Brandon to tell him the truth and that Cromwell was doing it all. Brandon knew because he told Anne's father off when he went to his prison cell to let him go.

But in reality, I think Henry wanted Cromwell to get lies and all that stuff. He wanted her gone and didn't care how it happend.

• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.

October 26, 2016
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KarleeBoleyn said
I think, if we’re going by the show, he really did believe she was guilty. I mean, he cried in Charles Brandon’s (Henry Cavill) lap because he thought she had slept with over 100 men and Elizabeth wasn’t his. If we’re going by real life, well, I guess we’ll never know! (; Discuss?  

In my heart, I would like to think he believed she was guilty. that’s the only way I can wrap my head around the fact that he was able to murder someone he had loved so intensely. its a scary thought otherwise to see that someone you love can end up hating you enough to kill you. But honestly, i think he knew she was innocent. Some of the dates that she was allegedly cheating on him, Anne was with the King. The evidence against her clearly didn’t add up. He just needed to believe it to justify his actions in the eyes of the world. The Tudors Show represent him pretty sympathetically. He is seen crying in Brandon’s arms about it, clearly he believes the accusations. but even in that show, for that to be true, Henry would have had to be a complete idiot who didn’t realize his wife was sleeping with everyone, and Anne herself would have had to have the power to be in 2 places at once.

So, yes, i think he knew she was innocent. You know, it may be fiction, but the movie Anne Of A thousand Days is really well done in defending her innocence. Henry himself interviews Mark Smeaton at the trial, pointing out that Anne couldn’t have possibly been with him, cause she was with Henry on those dates. HE then tells Smeaton that no matter what, he will die, so he should be honest. Mark then declares that Anne is innocent, but Henry says it could be true…Richard Burton makes it clear in his portrayal that he wants to believe Anne is guilty.

Henry was very adept at making his whims true. He was able to conform his thoughts to mirror reality. He wanted Anne to die, so therefore, she was guilty.

October 26, 2016
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Henry! I think he knew Anne was innocent. He knew her better than anyone else did. The problem was she wasn’t producing that male heir that was promised. He talked himself right into believing she was guilty. He wanted to marry another woman. The evidence for the most part, proved her innocent. Anne wasn’t where the evidence claimed her to be in many of the charges. I am totally a cynic when it comes to believing Henry on this subject. He used people’s dislike of Anne to damage her in their eyes and the eyes of the world. It has been 500 years, and still many believe the lies that are told of her.

We wonder how a man who loved someone so deeply, could then turn on a dime and hate her? Well my answer would be he never did love her. He was enamored. He was in love with love. He was flattered by her devotion. (until he wasn’t) His main reason in choosing any woman was for her to give him a son. That is what he looked for in the women he chose. In his mind Anne had betrayed him, just as Katherine had.

I think Cromwell was told to come up with a way of getting rid of Anne, and he being the exemplory lawyer that he was, came up with a prosecution that was perfect. And I believe Henry was fine with the means and the results of Anne’s demise. I have recently read a book by Sandra Vasoli where she shows some evidence that on his deathbed, Henry regretted the injustices done to Anne. He may have been haunted by what had happened to Anne. I don’t know if this is true or not. It could be he was afraid of meeting his maker. I hope so.

Anne of a Thousand Days is my favorite.
*Sandra Vasoli’s book, Anne Boleyn’s Letter From The Tower.

October 29, 2016
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Sharon said

We wonder how a man who loved someone so deeply, could then turn on a dime and hate her? Well my answer would be he never did love her. He was enamored. He was in love with love. He was flattered by her devotion. (until he wasn’t) His main reason in choosing any woman was for her to give him a son. That is what he looked for in the women he chose. In his mind Anne had betrayed him, just as Katherine had.

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You know, It honestly never occurred to me that he didn’t really love her. Thinking about it from this new perspective, it makes alot of sense actually. Its haunted me for years, this idea that Henry was able to kill this woman he loved..after all he had done for her. But if you look at it from the standpoint that it was all just infatuation and obsession, then I guess its easy to see how it could end that way. How many times do we hear in the news nowadays of husbands and wives killing each other? Frown

October 29, 2016
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Grace it used to bug me too. How does one go from being wildly in love to the opposite extreme of not caring whether she lived of died. Actually preferring that she died so he could get on with his life. I always wince when I hear people say he loved her. I didn’t come to my conclusion lightly either. I so wanted to believe he fell head-over-heels in love with Anne. He certainly said he loved her. He talked himself right into believing he loved her. It is not surprising that Anne believed him. He was obsessed with having her. His letters to her are filled with words of love.

However, his love came with conditions, and that does not coincide with real love. It just doesn’t. If you give me sons I will love you forever. If not…boom…You’ll have to die. It just never made any sense to me.

Now as king, Henry needed an heir. He needed his wife to give him a son. He needed a son to carry on his legacy. All kings did. The difference with other kings is they didn’t marry for love. If they were lucky, love came later, but it was not necessary. Henry wanted/needed to be loved by his wife. These Tudors for some reason, needed to be in love. Henry’s sister Margaret was the same way and so was his sister Mary. Mary being the only one who reached that goal. Instead of marrying for dynastic purposes alone, he felt the need to be madly in love before he married. Talked himself right into it. It didn’t last. It couldn’t last unless that precious heir was born.

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