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Most attractive wife?
July 29, 2011
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Bella44
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^ I bet Henry would've been a big fan of airbrushing and photoshop  Laugh

July 29, 2011
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Bella44 said:

^ I bet Henry would've been a big fan of airbrushing and photoshop  Laugh


Definitely!

"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

July 29, 2011
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This answer would be 10 times easier if camera's had been invented back then! : )

1.Anne Boleyn. Some people may not think so but she, in my eyes, was very beautiful and her personality doubled that beauty to me. Everything about her is so intriguing.

2. Anne Of Cleves. Judging by Hans painting of Anne of Cleves not the reports of her being a 'flanders mare'. I find that portrait very pretty.

3. Kathryn Howard. Everyone always said she was pretty, beautiful, sexy etc etc. She was obviously an attractive girl to get such compliments. We don't know if that  surviving portrait of her is actually her though, like 100 % sure.

4. Catherine Of Aragon, i've read that she was very beautiful in her younger years therefore she's 4th.

5. Katherine Parr; She seems remotely pretty from her portraits.

6. Maybe my already big dislike of Jane Seymour is sneaking into this judgment but from what i've seen she was very unattractive. Jane looks better with her hair down in that re-done painting (which is very good, You should do Anne's with her hair down too) but she is just blah blah blah and yuck yuck yuck.  Sorry but Jane has nothing substantial about her and i don't know why Henry'd cut Anne's head off for that.

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August 3, 2011
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Yes! Mya, you are an Angel! I absolutely agree re the Seymour! How could he do it?!

"A fresh young damsel, who could trip and go"

August 3, 2011
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E, i have absolutely no clue, sometimes i wish i could go back and crawl into Henry's mind to try to understand his thoughts and choices because his mind from my point of view makes no sense. I don't understand why Henry would kill Anne for someone so boring and (sorry about this) and ugly. I believe that even without Jane, Henry would have eventually gotten rid of Anne because of the lack of sons but maybe if there was no Jane and no hurry he would not have killed her, instead just divorced and maybe a nunnery. Despite Jane's involvment we all know Anne was innocent, undeserving of death, and waaay better of a woman than Jane.

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August 5, 2011
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Exactly! That would be fantastic- to be able to see the inside of H8's mind at that time as though it were a movie! He truly was the English Nero!

"A fresh young damsel, who could trip and go"

August 17, 2011
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Mademoiselle Mya said:

6. Maybe my already big dislike of Jane Seymour is sneaking into this judgment but from what i've seen she was very unattractive. Jane looks better with her hair down in that re-done painting (which is very good, You should do Anne's with her hair down too) but she is just blah blah blah and yuck yuck yuck.  Sorry but Jane has nothing substantial about her and i don't know why Henry'd cut Anne's head off for that.


I agree–and I admit I'm probably a bit biased like you–but still, Jane's face is very plain, her chin weak, her expression disapproving and fairly bland, and her eyes watery, in my opinion. Oh, but here I go again, ragging on “The Seymour”; must stop!!

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August 17, 2011
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It's so hard to do this without being biased!EmbarassedLaughSmile But I'll try…

  1. Anne Boleyn – she may not have been a conventional beauty, but she was still beautiful. And amongst all the portraits of women in that era with blonde or red hair, having a person with dark hair and eyes is bit refreshing. Has anyone noticed that in all of her portraits Anne looks awesome?
  2. Anne of Cleves – I think she pretty and she's not a Flander's Mare! She looks pretty, but I cannot begin to fathom why Henry didn't like her! Sure she wasn't a twig, but having a more voluptuous figure isn't a bad thing!
  3. Katherine Howard –  So many people have called her beautiful, sexy, and graceful – she had to be at least pretty by Tudor standards. And, I don't really like the portrait of her (doesn't look like a teenager to me), and we're not sure that it actually is Kitty. Something about her makes me think that she was pretty.
  4. It's a tie between Katherine Parr and Katherine of Aragon – I think they are both pretty, and were intelligent women to be reckoned with. In a way, they were both different types of beauty. KoA was more regal and princess-y/queen like but Katherine Parr had a noble lady beauty. 

Don't get me started on Jane Seymour. That women was such a plain Jane! It makes me wonder that with the five above, how Henry considered her his true wife! And the gable hood – it did no women any favors. And Jane has that haughty look in her eyes,  weak chin, small eyes, and a bigger nose – her features seem like they don't really belong together. With AoC, she had a big nose, but her other features balanced it out. Same with Anne Boleyn and Kitty Howard. (Why did Henry marry three Katherine's? It's quite confusing to people who don't know the history, and it gets annoying to right out which Katherine it is.)

This would be so much easier with cameras!!!Smile

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August 17, 2011
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TheAwesome-B-Necklace said:

 (Why did Henry marry three Katherine's? It's quite confusing to people who don't know the history, and it gets annoying to right out which Katherine it is.)

This would be so much easier with cameras!!!Smile


So he wouldn't mess up their names when he adressed them?
Anne Boleyn-Her portraits seem to capture her spirit. She wasn't considered pretty by Tudor standards, but I think she is gorgeous.

KOA-She was stunning in her youth.

AOC-She looks pretty to me.  Henry was probably going through a bout of impotence and in order to make himself look good, he blamed her.  She would have been good for Henry had he given her a chance.

KH-Although I do not see a beauty when I look at that portrait, I think she was a beautiful, vivacious young girl.  I have my doubts about that portrait being KH.  The woman in that painting looks much older than Katherine was supposed to be.

KP-There is so much dignity in her portraits.  Her intelligence pops out at you.

Jane-Plain. 

August 26, 2011
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A lot or men want the prettiest most vivacious ones out there, but once they have manhood to take this as a compliment. When the wife outshines the husband in public, he should be proud as that increases his manhood and doesn't delete form it. Look at how Prince Charles reacted to Princess Diana. They don't have enough of a great man's personality at being proud of his choice. Even George Clooney in modern times was married for about six months, and the way she tells it, George will NOT have anyone (and she was more famous than he at the time; as a matter of fact he wasn't famous at all at the time) who will outshine him in any way, looks, intelligence, career, better cook, you name it. So Henry, even though he married Jane to have a mail heir, did not have to compete with her, and worry about his dubious manhood and masculinity. Wink 

 

Elliemarianna said:

E said:

I too think Anne was by far the most attractive- based on her portraits she is very nice to look at though as you say, not the ideal beauty of the time. But her personality, fashion, accent, physique all make a very attractive package.

Katherine of Aragon was a very pretty princess so she comes in second followed by little Katherine Howard.

Then Katheryn Parr, then Anne of Cleves. If I was going only on Holbein's portrait I would list Anne of Cleves as second.. but I'v seen other pictures of Anne of Cleves and they weren't pretty!

Everyone on the site is aware of my opinion of the Seymour, so I wont even go there!Wink


Same here!
Maybe Henry chose Jane's plain looks so she couldn't outshine him like Anne did Laugh I wonder where the saying plain Jane comes from…


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August 26, 2011
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If i sound like i'm going to the Darkside (The Jane Side) i'm not. I'm just trying to be…fair. I guess. 

I don't think Henry chose Jane for her plain looks so she wouldn't outshine him. I think Anne was just too much of a woman for him and too vivacious and witty. He had a calm and smart wife in KOA. He had a wild card and another smart as hell wife in AnneB. He needed a wife that just shut her mouth and gave him sons and that was Jane Seymour. I think he took Jane because maybe he was assured she'd be quiet and be fertile, remember her motto? Bound to serve and obey? That was really Jane's life in those 5 words. Jane's father or brother, which ever, probably convinced and convinced Henry that she would shut up and endure as he once demanded of Anne. Anne wasn't the type to be quiet and keep opinions to herself, niether was KOA…sure she looked the other way when Henry cheated but when it came down to getting rid of her & her daughter she was not gonna back down. I respect KOA for that. As for Jane if she lived and was gonna be put aside for another wife she's willingly go, no questions asked because she's bound to serve and obey, right? 

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August 27, 2011
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Mya-Elise. said:

If i sound like i'm going to the Darkside (The Jane Side) i'm not. I'm just trying to be…fair. I guess. 

I don't think Henry chose Jane for her plain looks so she wouldn't outshine him. I think Anne was just too much of a woman for him and too vivacious and witty. He had a calm and smart wife in KOA. He had a wild card and another smart as hell wife in AnneB. He needed a wife that just shut her mouth and gave him sons and that was Jane Seymour. I think he took Jane because maybe he was assured she'd be quiet and be fertile, remember her motto? Bound to serve and obey? That was really Jane's life in those 5 words. Jane's father or brother, which ever, probably convinced and convinced Henry that she would shut up and endure as he once demanded of Anne. Anne wasn't the type to be quiet and keep opinions to herself, niether was KOA…sure she looked the other way when Henry cheated but when it came down to getting rid of her & her daughter she was not gonna back down. I respect KOA for that. As for Jane if she lived and was gonna be put aside for another wife she's willingly go, no questions asked because she's bound to serve and obey, right? 


Mya, I agree with everything you have said here.   Smile

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