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Off season travel to London
May 1, 2011
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littlepear
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Good morning!  A friend has of mine has invited me for holiday for late November or Early December.  She is thinking either London or possibly going to Germany.  I only have to come up with air fare.  What are your thoughts on this?  Will this be a good trip to London (first time for both of us) or will the weather make this a poor travel time?  I don't know if she can arrange for an earlier time- she is working in Afganistan so I think the time might not be up to her…..

 

Please let me know what your thoughts, suggestions are- I know I can count on you!  =) 

May 1, 2011
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Littlepear,

  I've been to London a couple of times in November. The lastest I left was 20th November. The downside is darkness sets early and it can be quite cool and rainy. However, there are fewer tourists, so sometimes you have places nearly to yourself. Most things in London are open year round, but be aware that some places outside London close in the low seasons, such as Hatfield House (just an example). Regardless, it is a personal preference when to visit the UK.

I cannot speak for Germany. I visited Germany once in March. It was snowy and cold, yet still beautiful.

I would not pass up the opportunity to miss either of these destinations, regardless of the time of year. Good luck with your planning. I hope your friend can schedule time off. Brave woman being in Afghanistan. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

Best!

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May 1, 2011
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Littlepear, DuchessofBrittany has covered the question very eloquently and I would echo the sentiment that either destination will be very worthwhile. Regarding the weather I would say that London is usually better than central Europe at that time of year, however most of Europe copes an awful lot better with poor weather than we do in England, last November/December much of the travel network in this country ground to a halt at the first sign of snow. I hope this doesn't put you off our wonderful country, but if you can leave your plans as late as possible you may be able to gauge if poor weather is likely, if so, as far as transport is concerned, then Germany is probably a safer option. Hope this has been of some help and wishing you a great time wherever you decide to go.

All the best.

May 2, 2011
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Thank you very much for your replies-  we won't know for sure exact dates until August so that might help but I think we are hoping for London.  Could you recommend any travel books and also special places that you think first time visitors might like?  Both of us are pretty low key people – not much for the  big parties!   Also Food!  If I could eat my way across Europe I would be a happy girl!!   Hoping to get a 10- 14 days for trip including travel there and back.

Thank you so much for your input!

May 2, 2011
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Travel books: I love, love, love anything written by Rick Steves. He does great itineraries, recommendations for restaurants, hotels, etc. His books are avaliable in most books shops, online at amazon, etc. He knows his stuff. You can also check out his tv show on PBS or his dvds are avaliable. Rick has done episodes on the UK and Germany.

I am the most familiar with UK, so here are some of my own tips.

Buy an Oyster Card. These can be used on both tube and bus.

To see London, use one of the two open-top bus tours: Big Bus Company (my fav.) or City Sightseeing. Ask at your hotel or check out their websites. They stop at most highlight attractions. In the off-season, they usually have discounts for their tickets.

Top London attractions: The Tower of London, The Tower Bridge, Westminster Abbey, St. Paul's, London Eye, Shakespeares Globe, Covent Garden (avoid weekends, best during the week)…

Many museums are free: British Museum, Museum of London and the Victoria and Albert Musuem.

If time, take the train to Windsor (30 mins. from Paddington). Check out the castle, beautiful town, and a city sightseeing bus.

I like to take bus tours outside the city: Golden Tours, Premium Tours, and Evan Evans Tours. I've taken most with Golden Tours, but have heard great things about all. I've done ( and really enjoyed): Oxford, Stratford, and Warwick; Greenwich, Canterbury, and Cliffs of Dover; Cotswolds and Blenheim Palace; Bath, Stonehenge, and Salisbury Cathedral. Check out websites for times, tours, etc.

I love to explore London: walk the old streets, take a London Walk (check website). They go everyday and have a variety of walks. The are inexpensive and fun.

My staple restaurants in London: Garfunkles and Ponti's. But, there are amaing pubs all over the place.

As for Germany: I was in Bavaria for only a few days. I was on my way to northern Italy. I did love Rothenburg and Heildeburg (beautiful historical cities), Munich is great with fantastic sites (and open-top bus tours). A Must: Neuschwanstein Castle.

I am sure I'll think of more. Keep me informed of your plans. Best of luck planning. I'm here to help!

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May 2, 2011
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Wow, I live here but I can't add much to DOB'S list, amazing. All I will say is do try and get to Hever and Leeds castles on your visit, both are open in the low season and are about an hour from London. Leeds castle holds what many consider to be the finest firework display in Europe, being held this year on the 5th and 6th of November, regrettably the castle itself is closed on these days, but remains open on all others save for christmas day only. Dover castle and Churchill's war rooms are well worth a visit and of course Canterbury Cathedral and Deal castle if you are in this area, you should allow about two hours from London for visiting these venues. Dover is dominated by the port and has little to offer apart from this and the castle, Canterbury however is a wonderful place to visit and there are no shortage of tea rooms in the area surrounding the cathedral! Of the west country venues suggested by DOB I would recommend Bath, with its fantastic Georgian architecture, Stonehenge is good to see on the way to Salisbury (the cathedral has the highest spire in England) and Bath, but there isn't anything else in the area as it is on Salisbury Plain, which can get very bleak in the Winter.

Like DOB I am sure I will think of more when I give the subject some thought, in the meantime I hope this has been of some help.

P.S. There is now a high speed rail link between London and much of Kent so journey times could be even less than I have given, if rail travel to certain venues is applicable.

May 2, 2011
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DuchessofBrittany said:

Many museums are free: British Museum, Museum of London and the Victoria and Albert Musuem.

 


Although most museums are free, it's nice to leave a small donation to thier upkeep.

It's always bunnies.

May 2, 2011
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Neil Kemp said:

Of the west country venues suggested by DOB I would recommend Bath, with its fantastic Georgian architecture, Stonehenge is good to see on the way to Salisbury (the cathedral has the highest spire in England) and Bath, but there isn't anything else in the area as it is on Salisbury Plain, which can get very bleak in the Winter.

 

I much prefer Avebury, if you have lots of time. Stonehenge was roped off at one time, so you couldn't get close, but in Avebury yiou can walk round the stones. And the village which is in the middle of the circle.

 

If you head out of Paddington by train to the west, watch out for the Uffinton White Horse which is between Didcot and Swindon. You only get a quick look but it ius impressive.

 

Glastonbury…I've always found a bit meh! There are plenty of new-age shops and the abbey is worth a look. But the streets are narrow and difficult to drive around.

It's always bunnies.

May 3, 2011
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Another good place to visit in the UK is Chatsworth House in Derbyshire.  Mary Queen of Scots was imprisioned here for several years, also in the area, pay a visit to Buxton where Mary QoS visited to take the Buxton Waters, there is a hotel there which she stayed at during her visits. 

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May 3, 2011
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Just to add to my previous message, if you do venture west then Corfe castle and village (Dorset) are well worth a visit and are open in the low season. The castle itself is mostly in ruin having been destroyed by parliamentarians in the civil war, but is still worth seeing and is in a great location, with village tea rooms offering good hospitality.

May 6, 2011
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Hi everyone- thank you so much for your input!  I am having so much fun starting to plan this.  Since my friend is a bit busy with the events taking place in Afghanistan, i am trying to put things together to send her a package of ideas and possible schedules.  Your ideas/suggestions are fantastic and very helpful!

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