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4:08 pm
April 9, 2011
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After re-immersing myself in the world of the Tudors and the Stuarts the past couple of weeks (holidays are great for reigniting obessions) I started to become curious over what the official names would be of the children of William and Kate if they were to name their children a particular name.
For example if the heir they produce was a boy called James. Would he be referred to as King James III (of England) and VIII (of Scotland) or would he just be King James III cause of the creation officially of Great Britain.
Alternatively with the new succession laws saying first born is the heir, if they have a girl and name it Jane would it be Jane I or Jane II? In this instance would it be up to Jane The Monarch to decide how she will be referred to, similar in the way that Henry VIII let everybody know that his son Edward would be the sixth Edward to reign and therefore letting the history books write that Edward V was an official ruler of England despite the work of Richard III to pretend it didn’t occur.
6:32 pm
November 18, 2010
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IIRC, they go for the highest regnal number. So a James would be James VIII or Elizabeth Elizabeth III.
Queen Jane…no idea. Most probably Jane I .
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8:15 pm
April 9, 2011
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The two James’ that have been monarchs of England were officially title James I & VI and James II & VII. Cause they were ruling England (I & II) and Scotland (VI & VII).
But then when Queen Anne came along England and Scotland were offically joined as a Union as Britain. She was the first ruler of Britain as was known as Anne I of Britain. Since the creation of Britain we have had at least one new William (the fourth) which demonstrates that they just continued counting where England left off BUT we haven’t had the case like the James’ where the name was used in two seperate kingdoms being ruled by one. And from my recollection no one has ever ascended to the throne that has a name that was already used in the Scottish realm by a monarch, so it would be interesting to see how it went. So while I’m pretty certain he’d be known as James III, I’m curious to know if he would be referred to as James VIII in Scotland officially.
I’m holding on to the opinion it should be Jane II as I view her as having been Queen for those brief 13 days. But my gut says you are right Anyanka that Will’s daughter would end up being Jane I.
12:13 pm
March 28, 2012
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Probably would be Elizabeth, or Edward. Maybe Victoria. Or Richard, but that’s old fashioned now. Anyway, only English names will do, I suspect. 🙂
1:35 am
January 17, 2011
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What an interesting post, I just hope that William and Catherine called their children nice solid old fashioned names as I can’t be doing with these awful stupid names of today that you can’t pronounce or write, lol!
The Queen thankfully has to give permission to Royal names so I think a nice Royal name like James, Arthur, Jane, Elizabeth etc would be given.
2:29 am
April 11, 2011
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Anyanka is correct in what she says, I list the following: Source – British Royal & Noble Families.
Scottish and English sovereigns were numbered seperately, as long as the Kingdoms were seperate. Note that English and British sovereigns are numbered since the conquest; also, they are numbered only if that christian name has been borne by more than one ruler (thus one says “Queen Victoria” and not “Queen Victoria 1”).
With the personal union of the crowns in 1603 sovereigns used dual numbers when applicable, e.g., James V1 and 1 (6th of Scotland and 1st of England). Since the union of the Kingdoms in 1707, a single numeral has been used for each sovereign, and it has been the one consistent with the English rather than the Scottish sequence of sovereigns: William 1V (rather than 111), Edward V11 (rather than 1). Soon after the accession of Elizabeth 11, it was announced that, henceforth, the highest numeral from either sequence would be chosen, so that the next Richard would be the 4th but the next James will be the 8th.
As Lady Jane Grey (Dudley) is noted as an official Queen of England (source – The National Archives At Kew and the Official Website Of The British Monarchy), any future Queen named Jane would become Jane 11.
Hope that makes things clear.
3:36 am
June 7, 2010
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Sophie1536 said
What an interesting post, I just hope that William and Catherine called their children nice solid old fashioned names as I can’t be doing with these awful stupid names of today that you can’t pronounce or write, lol!
The Queen thankfully has to give permission to Royal names so I think a nice Royal name like James, Arthur, Jane, Elizabeth etc would be given.
I agree, Sophie. Since many of m friends name their children ridiculous names that I can neither spell nor say, I hope William and Kate will give their children good, old fashioned names. Given the Queen’s permission, I imagine it will happen.
I often wondered, would William and Kate ever name (if they have) a daughter Diana? What if she was the heir to the throne? Just a thought!
"By daily proof you shall find me to be to you both loving and kind" Anne Boleyn
3:40 am
June 7, 2010
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Neil Kemp said
Anyanka is correct in what she says, I list the following: Source – British Royal & Noble Families.
Scottish and English sovereigns were numbered seperately, as long as the Kingdoms were seperate. Note that English and British sovereigns are numbered since the conquest; also, they are numbered only if that christian name has been borne by more than one ruler (thus one says “Queen Victoria” and not “Queen Victoria 1”).
With the personal union of the crowns in 1603 sovereigns used dual numbers when applicable, e.g., James V1 and 1 (6th of Scotland and 1st of England). Since the union of the Kingdoms in 1707, a single numeral has been used for each sovereign, and it has been the one consistent with the English rather than the Scottish sequence of sovereigns: William 1V (rather than 111), Edward V11 (rather than 1). Soon after the accession of Elizabeth 11, it was announced that, henceforth, the highest numeral from either sequence would be chosen, so that the next Richard would be the 4th but the next James will be the 8th.
As Lady Jane Grey (Dudley) is noted as an official Queen of England (source – The National Archives At Kew and the Official Website Of The British Monarchy), any future Queen named Jane would become Jane 11.
Hope that makes things clear.
Thanks Neil for this information. I was confused as to the protocol of naming monarchs, especially after the Act of 1707.
I am always unsure if Lady Jane is considered an official monarch. I always refered to her as one of the Tudor monarchs. I guess I am safe in continuing this.
"By daily proof you shall find me to be to you both loving and kind" Anne Boleyn
5:21 am
April 9, 2011
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Thanks for that info Neil.
If I was a betting man I would have put all my money on James III, if it does occur what a cool footnote and piece of trivia to explain why you go from James II to James VIII. It’s nice to see the English allow a part of Scottish history to dictate the outcome.
re: Jane, I recall finding that bit of info as well, which everytime I’m on Wikipedia I get confused with why she is always listed as disputed and you always get a choose your own adventure for who gets the crown after Edward VI. If I was more passionate I’d be fixing all that up over at Wikipedia.
11:07 am
November 18, 2010
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DuchessofBrittany said
Sophie1536 said
What an interesting post, I just hope that William and Catherine called their children nice solid old fashioned names as I can’t be doing with these awful stupid names of today that you can’t pronounce or write, lol!
The Queen thankfully has to give permission to Royal names so I think a nice Royal name like James, Arthur, Jane, Elizabeth etc would be given.I agree, Sophie. Since many of m friends name their children ridiculous names that I can neither spell nor say, I hope William and Kate will give their children good, old fashioned names. Given the Queen’s permission, I imagine it will happen.
I often wondered, would William and Kate ever name (if they have) a daughter Diana? What if she was the heir to the throne? Just a thought!
Savannah and Isla Phillips….the Queen`s great grand-daughters
It's always bunnies.
3:05 pm
April 9, 2011
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The advantage to being so far down the line to the throne you can marry a Canadian (but just in case make her renounce her Catholic faith) and get away with giving your kids non-Monarch names. Although I personally do prefer Isla to Eugenie.
