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11:40 am
November 18, 2010
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I just found this one on my bookshelf. I can't remember buying it. It's about Kathryn Howard.
The cover blub says
To some she is considered a harlot and a greedy girl from an even greedier family. To others she is a victim, in love with another man and forced to marry the king. I truth, she was a mercurial, strong-willed, sexually appealing woman trapped by the dangerous politics of the Tudor court and her barren womb.
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11:43 am
August 3, 2010
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Interesting….never heard of it but I think it's always interesting to see how differently writers portray Catherine Howard. Tell me how it is if you read it, please 🙂
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11:55 am
August 3, 2010
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Very true, wreckmasterjay, it does mess up our books! But I don't think Catherine was that young. While there is definitely difrent opinions, but most historians believe she was either born 1521 or 1525. She married Henry on July 28 1540, so she was either 19 or 15 when she was married, and therefore either way not 11 when Henry began seeing her.
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12:51 pm
August 3, 2010
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Exactly!
Even if you disregarded the birthdates, I realize Henry preyed on young girls like Catherine, but somehow I can't see him with an eleven-year-old. That probably went past his limit.
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5:08 pm
November 18, 2010
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11 would be too young. The legal age for marriage, at that time was 12 as per canon law.
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5:11 pm
November 18, 2010
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Chapter 7 by page 32. It's a very light weight read.
So far we have had Mannox and Dereham.
KH has been send to serve AoC.
Cromwell(!!!!) has escorted KH to the king and he has…..
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5:16 pm
November 18, 2010
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wreckmasterjay said:
Imagine the scandal if todays Prince Charles started dating a 15 year old!! But then again in Tudor times who would be the one to tell the king he was in the wrong? Count me out!!!
A better age comparison would be Prince Andrew and a 15 yo. Or even Prince Edward.
Both 15 and 11 would be a year below the age of consent for the different time periods in England.
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6:57 pm
August 3, 2010
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Anyanka: In regard to the Tudor marriage age, I think that is generally true. However, I thought there was a thing with wardship, maybe? So you could marry younger? Not sure.
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7:32 am
November 18, 2010
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Indeed child marriages were common but the age for consumation of the marriage was 12 by canon law.
Nobility and royal families teneded to go for early marriages since life expectancy was short, many children died young and women were susepible to post-partum deaths.
Margaret Beaufort was left a pregnant widow at 13.
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7:53 am
November 18, 2010
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Some random quotes from Anne of Cleves to KH
Your desire to please them, and be pleased by them, is a trap. I do not have this desire and the king sensed this.
Imagine it is my body that lies with you. We have no need of men to find pleasure.
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1:47 pm
November 18, 2010
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Well, I finished it.
I didn't enjoy it.If it was an attempt to re-habilitate her memory, IMO, it failed. It was very lightweight and there was no real feeeling to it.
There were a few littlle things that irritated me. One was the ” Die as the wife of Thomas Culpepper”. Did she ever say that?? Two, it's claimed she was 19 at the date of thier marriage.
Then in the epilogue the author claims there is no authenicated portrait of her. And then talks of that she lived and died a queen but was never coronated. Whoever proof-read missed that slip.
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11:19 am
February 24, 2010
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Catherine never said, “Die as the wife of Thomas Culpepper.” How irritating that is. That was in The Tudors, also. What about the portrait we see of her in all the books and every where else? Who is that? Catherine never did have a coronation. Neither did Jane, AOC, or Katherine Parr. As to her age, it seems to vary quite a bit. Her birth year ranges from 1521 to 1525.
2:33 pm
August 3, 2010
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The tradition is that Catherine said she would rather die the wife of Thomas Culpeper than the Queen of England. Unfortunately, it probably didn't happen. But for romantics, you can hope; there isn't firm proof she didn't.
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7:00 pm
August 12, 2009
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Boleynfan said:
The tradition is that Catherine said she would rather die the wife of Thomas Culpeper than the Queen of England. Unfortunately, it probably didn't happen. But for romantics, you can hope; there isn't firm proof she didn't.
Tone is difficult here on the internet, so I just want to say I'm not trying to be sarcastic or smart-alecky. But, it's pretty darned hard to prove that something didn't happen. Without videos to 'prove' otherwise, you can claim almost anything happened 500 years ago.
Phooey, I'm not a romantic after all. 
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Ring the bell and run. He hates that."
1:37 pm
February 24, 2010
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The Tudors had her saying this at her execution. (jaw dropping moment for me) Many novels have her saying it too. From what I have read about her death in history books, she died with the dignity of a Queen. To say this as she is being executed kind of takes away from the dignity part, doesn't it? I don't think that statement is romantic. It would have been a foolish thing to say after having practised all night so she would die with Queenly grace. When I heard it on The Tudors, I groaned. Definitely not very Queen like.
Maybe I'm not a romantic either….hmmm.
4:13 pm
June 7, 2010
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The idea of Katherine Howard saying she wished she died the wife of Culpepper may speak to some people's romantic ideals, but not to mine. I felt The Tudors took away any dignity and Queenly grace Katherine had left at her execution. Michael Hurst made her look foolish, which she may have been, but surely not at the time of her death. I always felt that Katherine Howard got the rotten end of the stick compared to the other wives, and I wish her death was handled with more care and respect. Anne's execution scene in The Tudors was touching, respectful, and showed Anne's true courage. Katherine Howard surley went to her death with as much courage as anyone else. If historians and writers are willing to re-examine Anne Boleyn and how maligned she has been throughout history, than can they not bestow the same respect to Katherine Howard.
Sorry for the rant. I am stepping off the soap box now.
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5:30 pm
November 18, 2010
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Impish_Impulse said:
Boleynfan said:
The tradition is that Catherine said she would rather die the wife of Thomas Culpeper than the Queen of England. Unfortunately, it probably didn't happen. But for romantics, you can hope; there isn't firm proof she didn't.
Tone is difficult here on the internet, so I just want to say I'm not trying to be sarcastic or smart-alecky. But, it's pretty darned hard to prove that something didn't happen. Without videos to 'prove' otherwise, you can claim almost anything happened 500 years ago.
Phooey, I'm not a romantic after all.
However videos have been both heavily edited and faked in the past.
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5:38 pm
November 18, 2010
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DuchessofBrittany said:
The idea of Katherine Howard saying she wished she died the wife of Culpepper may speak to some people's romantic ideals, but not to mine. I felt The Tudors took away any dignity and Queenly grace Katherine had left at her execution. Michael Hurst made her look foolish, which she may have been, but surely not at the time of her death. I always felt that Katherine Howard got the rotten end of the stick compared to the other wives, and I wish her death was handled with more care and respect. Anne's execution scene in The Tudors was touching, respectful, and showed Anne's true courage. Katherine Howard surley went to her death with as much courage as anyone else. If historians and writers are willing to re-examine Anne Boleyn and how maligned she has been throughout history, than can they not bestow the same respect to Katherine Howard.
Sorry for the rant. I am stepping off the soap box now.
I'm with you, Impish and Sharon in that I don't find it romantic at all. I don't think KH would say anything on the scaffold which would further damage her family. She must have known many of them were also resident in the Tower awaiting the King's Pleasure.
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