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4:47 pm
August 6, 2011
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Lately, I've become hyper aware of the slandering of Anne Boleyn. I know many people see her as a home wrecker and a w**re, and due to vicious youtube comments, some youtube videos that have driven me crazy, several websites, Philippa Gregory, and probably my own obsession with using my knowledge gained from the AB Files to “debunk the myths” (I love that quote!) have made me very annoyed and irritated with the slandering going on. That led me to wondering why people know and care enough to slander Anne in the present day when she died 475 (give or take a few years) years ago! And that led me to this question: What has carried over the slandering of Anne Boleyn?
Nicholas Sander (AKA Slandering Sander) – Don't get me started on him because I will rant and rant and rant and ramble.
Philippa Gregory – The same as above.
Alison Weir – Although she said she admires AB, her books may have accidentally portrayed her in a more negative light and contributed to said slandering.
The Tudors TV show – It's a pretty good TV show, but it's filled with some pretty bad historical inaccuracies (i.e. George Boleyn being homosexual, Cardinal Wolsey committing suicide, etc.) that people take for fact. I'm fine with people watching the show to get interested and looking up the facts (I'm guilty of that offense as well) but if they just accept it as fact, well, we have a problem
But they portray Anne B. a little on the b**** side, and somehow that's how Anne is looked at by some viewers.
Religion – I've read one of Claire's brilliant articles about religious divisions from the Tudor era still being alive today. It's seems to be true, unfortunately. And, for the record, I am a Christian, and am only listing religion as a resource of the slandering because for people back then, religion (specifically Catholicism – not that I have anything against Catholicism, it was just the prime religion back then) was everything thing, and Anne was sort of a catalyst for the break from Rome.
That's as many I can think of for now, but what do you all think? Also, same question goes for Good Queen Bess.
Opinions?
My reason for this is that it just bugs me that people slander Anne Boleyn and Elizabeth I without knowing the facts and using myths PG and Sanders have started as truth. Also, since this has been on my mind lately, Elizabeth, although she is AB's biggest triumph, is not the only reason we consider Anne important!
P.S. I think I might've just started a war and controversy…
"To be or not to be, that is the question."//////// "The Most Happy."
~ William Shakespeare, Hamlet.///// ~ Anne Boleyn's motto.
6:57 pm
May 16, 2011
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I agree with basically everything on here. Anne is disrespected and slammed so much and it's super annoying. I mean if people hate Anne soooo much then why continually comment on her at all? It makes no sense! These people really need to watch a little movie called Bambi and learn something from thumper : that if you only have mean things to say, then don't say anything at all. That quote is absolutely perfect for this situation.
I really have grown to dislike PGregory so much that i get angry just hearing her name, let alone typing it. As for Sander, i've never read his books so i can't really judge on him. Alison Weir is like a more respectful PG yet just as bad. & The Tudors, which i love, is full of inaccuracies. I don't like how they portrayed Anne to be …. so untruthful? Maybe thats the wrong word. What i mean is i don't believe Anne plotted from beginning to marriage her relationship with Henry. I believe she really wanted to be treated with respect and if Henry wasn't gonna do that then she'd make him earn it by love.
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8:11 pm
November 18, 2010
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Hang on Milady Awesome B…
Chapyus…the first ….Spanish ambassador to England stared a whole lot of cr@p ..He bears a lot of the blame regarding Anne's morals. And religon….and stuff.Sander ba(i)sed a lot of his “history” on Chapuys.
Sander and Jane Dormer..neither of them met Anne being born after Anne died. And Dormer who was a lady-in -waiting tio Mary I had access to Mary's thoughts and rememberances ….She was bound to be baised…
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8:13 pm
November 18, 2010
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Mademoiselle Mya said:
I really have grown to dislike PGregory so much that i get angry just hearing her name
She-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named…..
It's always bunnies.
8:46 pm
August 6, 2011
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Anyanka said:
Hang on Milady Awesome B…
Chapyus…the first ….Spanish ambassador to England stared a whole lot of cr@p ..He bears a lot of the blame regarding Anne's morals. And religon….and stuff.Sander ba(i)sed a lot of his “history” on Chapuys.
Sander and Jane Dormer..neither of them met Anne being born after Anne died. And Dormer who was a lady-in -waiting tio Mary I had access to Mary's thoughts and rememberances ….She was bound to be baised…
How could I forget about Chapuys?!?!?!? Thanks Anyanka!
That man was the endorsement of Anne hate, and although I admit that Anne wasn't a perfect human being, she still was a human being, and like any of us she had flaws, but she also had good points as well. It's unfair how many people look at Anne (well, not just Anne, more like almost every historical figure (i.e Jane Seymour, Kitty Howard, AoC, KoA, Katherine Parr, Marie Antoinette, etc.)) from a one sided view.
Speaking of Jane Dormer (I would be biased if I were her, too), isn't Natalie Dormer, the actress who plays Anne Boleyn in The Tudors, her descendant? Isn't kind of funny that she's playing AB, then?
And, if Anne gets so much hate and biased anger (and with some people comparing Anne to Blair Waldrof from Gossip Girl…), well…at least we have the AB Files to debunk the myths. And with PG, well if I glare at a book and look like I'm going to scream at it, you can bet it's written by her. Not that she's a bad writer but the inaccuracies are annoying. Wow, I'm on a rant roll today!)
And one more thing: Just because someone does not have the same religion as you doesn't make them evil and it doesn't mean that they don't have morals! (Eustace Chapuys and Sander come to mind…..)
"To be or not to be, that is the question."//////// "The Most Happy."
~ William Shakespeare, Hamlet.///// ~ Anne Boleyn's motto.
6:26 pm
May 16, 2011
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TheAwesome-B-Necklace said:
Anyanka said:
Hang on Milady Awesome B…
Chapyus…the first ….Spanish ambassador to England stared a whole lot of cr@p ..He bears a lot of the blame regarding Anne's morals. And religon….and stuff.Sander ba(i)sed a lot of his “history” on Chapuys.
Sander and Jane Dormer..neither of them met Anne being born after Anne died. And Dormer who was a lady-in -waiting tio Mary I had access to Mary's thoughts and rememberances ….She was bound to be baised…
How could I forget about Chapuys
Speaking of Jane Dormer (I would be biased if I were her, too), isn't Natalie Dormer, the actress who plays Anne Boleyn in The Tudors, her descendant? Isn't kind of funny that she's playing AB, then?
And, if Anne gets so much hate and biased anger (and with some people comparing Anne to Blair Waldrof from Gossip Girl…), well…at least we have the AB Files to debunk the myths.
And one more thing: Just because someone does not have the same religion as you doesn't make them evil and it doesn't mean that they don't have morals! (Eustace Chapuys and Sander come to mind…..)
Yeah i thought it was funny too how Natalie Dormer, a descendant of Jane Dormer, played a very important Tudor character to which her ansestor did not like….werid.
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8:09 pm
November 18, 2010
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TheAwesome-B-Necklace said:
And one more thing: Just because someone does not have the same religion as you doesn't make them evil and it doesn't mean that they don't have morals! (Eustace Chapuys and Sander come to mind…..)
No religion does mean I act amorally either.
It's always bunnies.
8:47 pm
August 6, 2011
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Anyanka said:
TheAwesome-B-Necklace said:
And one more thing: Just because someone does not have the same religion as you doesn't make them evil and it doesn't mean that they don't have morals! (Eustace Chapuys and Sander come to mind…..)
No religion does mean I act amorally either.
True, but I never did say that having no religion means you (in fact you seem to be a nice intelligent person.) or anyone else is immoral.
Does anyone have any other people who carried over the slandering of Anne besides the ones already mentioned?
"To be or not to be, that is the question."//////// "The Most Happy."
~ William Shakespeare, Hamlet.///// ~ Anne Boleyn's motto.
8:52 am
February 24, 2010
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I don't think George Wyatt meant to slander Anne, but he claimed she had that sixth finger or nail. I forget which he said it was. Unfortunately, that rumor is still around.
The worse was Chapuys. He was there the whole time and said horrible untrue things about her that are still being repeated today. Every piece of untrue gossip somehow found its way to Chapuys, and he wrote it all down.
Who was it that said she had to cover her neck because she had a mark on it? Was that Sander?
Then there are the modern authors, both writers of fiction and some non-fiction, who make money on the salacious. Doesn't matter if it's true or not. They don't look that deep into the history. They find the worst, skip over the rest, put it in their books, and claim they are historically accurate. The more sensational stories they can find the more books they will sell. They perpetuate the myths.
1:34 pm
June 7, 2011
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George Wyatt said Anne had a little double nail on her little finger. My husband has the same thing on his toe. Its hardly noticeable…
"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.
1:40 pm
May 16, 2011
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George Wyatt said she had 'upon the side of her nail, upon one of her fingers, some little show of a nail' and that she tried to hide it alot. and Sander started the whole wen story.
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3:20 pm
August 3, 2010
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Let me just add, about Alison Weir, that she wrote somewhere (I forget where-perhaps her website) that when she was a child/teenager, she loved and admired Anne Boleyn. Now she is just as fascinated, but she likes her a lot less. I, for one, loved and admired her when I was a child, and I love and admire her even more now!!
"Grumble all you like, this is how it's going to be"
2:29 am
May 19, 2011
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Well, the unwashed masses are uneducated and the emptiest vessels make the loudest noise- so as irritating as they are- don't let them bother you. Just be safe in the knowledge that one day, we will join forces and machete the bastards to death.
Too much?
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8:45 am
December 5, 2009
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Boleynfan said:
Let me just add, about Alison Weir, that she wrote somewhere (I forget where-perhaps her website) that when she was a child/teenager, she loved and admired Anne Boleyn. Now she is just as fascinated, but she likes her a lot less. I, for one, loved and admired her when I was a child, and I love and admire her even more now!!
Like you, Boleynfan, I was interested in Anne as a child/youth. I learned to admire her as I learned more about her and as I matured.I wonder what that says about Weir? I find it difficult to believe she ever admired or loved Anne from what she has written about her. Perhaps she finds her fascinating, but if so, she's got a funny way of showing it. I agree that a lot of the slander of Chapuys has been repeated and given merit in Weir's work. I think, despite her belief in Anne's innocence, that Weir is no friend of the Boleyns, and her bias towards Catherine comes through in everything she writes.
8:57 am
February 24, 2010
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Mademoiselle Mya said:
George Wyatt said she had 'upon the side of her nail, upon one of her fingers, some little show of a nail' and that she tried to hide it alot. and Sander started the whole wen story.
Thanks Mya. That's my point about some authors. When I first started reading about Anne, she didn't have a “little show of nail.” She had a sixth finger.
Can someone tell me what the heck a wen is?
Does Chapuys ever claim that Anne had the little nail or a wen? I can't believe he would have left that out of a report. Whether it was rumor or fact, if he had heard it or seen it, he would have written it down.
Boleynfan, that explains Weir's writings, doesn't it? She did admire Anne, and now she likes her less. I'd say a whole lot less.
E, maybe just a touch…LOL
5:13 pm
May 16, 2011
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A wen is like a cyst, actually is it a cyst. It's called a Sebaceous Cyst and in some cases it's just a small-ish bump on your body or in Anne's false case her neck. They are known for being extremely rare too. ; ) People also say that if gives off a certain odor liek cottage cheese which i'm sure Henry or other would have smelled unless there was cheese around all the time to put it off as. It's cause by blocked hair glands or swollen hair glands and excessive testosterone.
There's our lesson of the day, a cyst or 'wen'. : )
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11:23 am
February 24, 2010
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Whoa! We just had a tremor from the earthquake in Va. We never get those in the northeast.
Mya, thank you. I can't see Henry loving a woman who smelled like cottage cheese.
12:13 pm
November 18, 2010
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We felt it too, Sharon
It's always bunnies.
12:25 pm
February 24, 2010
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Anyanka said:
We felt it too, Sharon
I wondered if you felt it up there. It's surprising that it could be felt so far north. The last one we felt was centered at Blue Mountain in the Adirondacks. That was several years ago.
