TudorFan said

Boleyn said

I believe H8 offered Anne a get out of jail free card.

Did he?

I’m not Boleyn but I suspect that sending Cramner to get Anne to possibly agree to an annulment making the marriage illegal would be sweetened with a huge dollop of ” no kill but exile” policy.

Anne would not be as scrupled as KoA to keep her marriage together but would agree if she was allowed to live. And possibly be allowed to have Elizabeth with her as a further inducement, though I suspect Henry wouldn’t have allowed that.

Anyanka said …though I suspect Henry wouldn’t have allowed that.

i’d be astonished if he’d have considered it for more than a nano-second.

his father, a man with a somewhat thin claim to throne, was twice sent by the French with an invading army and at the second attempt killed and replaced an annointed King. his Grandfather, Edward IV was used likewise by Burgundy – he also killed and replaced an annointed King.

the chances of Henry setting up any future king with a ready-made pretender to the throne sat in a French court are so small as to be non-existant.

i know little of any quiet offer to Anne to take the veil instead of the axe, but i rather think that it if it were offered it would be to somewhere remote and with a life-expectancy problem, but it would not, never in a million years, be in a foreign country where she could stir up trouble.

Bob
I think Anne was astute to know that any offer H8 made to her concerning life in exile with Lizzy if she agreed to his demands, was as worthless as the as yesterday’s dinner (ie eaten and forgotten). She knew as I said in one of my earlier posts to agree to going into exile, be it in some quite little remote area of England or abroad, she wouldn’t live long enough to enjoy her freedom.
I think the reason she agreed to the annulment, was that she would die by the axe (or in her case sword) rather than be burnt, which I believe was the more common practise for executing woman. I’m not sure but I think this comes from when she was child. A fire broke out (possibly at Hever) and she saw one of the servants burn to death, and this affected her so she was mortally afraid of fire. Agreeing to the annulment meant that her death would be swift.
I also think that H8 couldn’t afford to have another Ex wife lurking about England or wherever. Granted he couldn’t kill K.O.A the consquences of such an action don’t even bear thinking about. But all the while K.O.A was still alive he was a thorn in his side, but to have another ex wife in the distance lurking about would have been even more of an annoyance to him, and make him a bit of a laughing stock. (not that he wasn’t already)
No Anne was dead the minute he and Cromwell cooked up their little plan together.
Again I’m not too sure but I believe H8 had last minute jitters about executing her, and it was Cromwell who spurred him on to sign her death warrant.
I wonder how Cramner was affected by her death, after all he had been the family chaplain I believe?

La Plus Heureuse, You forgot stinking. as in that fat, stinking,old impotent bastard.

TudorFan said

Anyanka said

I’m not Boleyn but I suspect that sending Cramner to get Anne to possibly agree to an annulment making the marriage illegal would be sweetened with a huge dollop of ” no kill but exile” policy.

Anne would not be as scrupled as KoA to keep her marriage together but would agree if she was allowed to live. And possibly be allowed to have Elizabeth with her as a further inducement, though I suspect Henry wouldn’t have allowed that.

Sorry for labouring the point, but I still don’t quite understand. Did that actually happen, or is it just something that you suspect might have happened? It’s just that I don’t remember ever reading about such an option being given to Anne.

All my own thoughts due to Cramner procuring an annulment to which both were happy to agree. Anne knew that her death was likely to be highly unpleasant, burning for a female traitor. I suspect Anne was offered a chance at exile or a more kindly death in return for her aquicesence to the annulment.

As it happened, the Calais headsman was already on his way so the hope of exile was just a dream….

Bob the Builder said

Boleyn said

…impotent…

a man who has five live children – at least – with four different women, is not impotent.

I wasn’t the one who called him impotant I just agreed with it. LOL. Ok so in his early years he was loose cannon, able to get a woman pregnant just by looking at her. But lets face it took Jane quite a bit of time to fall pregnant. He and K.H were said to have loud and noisy sex yet there was still no baby? I think it’s possible that by the time he married K.H he was firing blanks, his doodle worked that’s for sure but the cannon didn’t.