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Anne's Descendants on ABF?
March 10, 2012
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Sophie1536
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Has anyone ever wondered if any of Anne’s descendants or family have ever visited us here on the forum because I have many times Wink Wouldn’t it be so great IF they did come along! I’m sure they’d feel Claire and the rest of us are doing a great job of keeping Anne’s spirit and memory alive.

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March 10, 2012
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Sophie1536 said

Has anyone ever wondered if any of Anne’s descendants or family have ever visited us here on the forum because I have many times Wink Wouldn’t it be so great IF they did come along! I’m sure they’d feel Claire and the rest of us are doing a great job of keeping Anne’s spirit and memory alive.

Good one Sophie it would certainly be nice to think that wouldn’t it? I’m sure if we were to actually did really deep into our past histories we would probably find that we are all somehow related to one another, That would be good we would all be one big happy family together, although how the hell would we be able to cope with all the reunions, we’d need a continent of our own just to fit all the relatives in. and what about the seating plan on who sits where, Passing the salt from one end of the table to the other will take a week and an half. LOL

Despite my attempt a joke yeah it would be really cool, and I’m sure they would be proud of us..

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March 10, 2012
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It would be cool, and i’d love to here they’re opinions. On The Tudors dvd’s on special/bonus features they have this thing where desendants of Henry VIII are interviewed and i’m always thinking ‘your so lucky’, I mean despite my dislike for Henry it’s still flippin amazing to have that connection to that history. I’m always wishing that maybe, just maybe, i’ll related to someone who was close to Anne or something but my father’s full German and my mother is Polish, Russian, and Luthaian so I doubt I have any English hertitage which SUCKS! But maybe i’m somehow related to Anna of Cleves though which is still equally awsome.
But yeah, LOL, since Mary Boleyn had children and her children had children then it’s very likely Boleyn blood is still around somewhere and I’d love to meet anyone whose has that amazing blood line…Smile

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March 10, 2012
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It would be interesting to trace back so far in history, and talk to someone who is related to the Turdors. . For all you know, it’s possible you are to be related to the Tudors yourself. My friend is related to the Boleyn’s, somehow. But that would take ages, it’s very indirect and there’s lots of ‘removed’ along the way. 🙂

March 10, 2012
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May I ask a really dumb question? How can those people on the Tudors special feature claim that they are descended from Henry VIII? Maybe I’ve forgotten someone, but wouldn’t Henry’s kids have had to have children of their own to end up with a bunch of descendents today?

I understand the Boleyn descendent cause we are looking at Mary’s bloodline there, but from my brief calculations Henry’s bloodline is dead.

March 10, 2012
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Mary’s Carey children had many descendants. catherine was the mother of 13 who lived to adulthood and Henry 7 legitimate and several illegitmate childlren.

Some of Mary’s descendants include the Queen though her mother and Princes William and Harry though their mother and grandmother.

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March 10, 2012
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I’m sure I’ve posted this before on here…

Some-one on one of DH’s forums posted that he was a direct descendant of Anne and George’s son who was born in 1538Confused and had to be hidden away since he had a claim on the throneSurprised and Henry would have had him executed Yell

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March 10, 2012
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Bill1978 said

May I ask a really dumb question? How can those people on the Tudors special feature claim that they are descended from Henry VIII? Maybe I’ve forgotten someone, but wouldn’t Henry’s kids have had to have children of their own to end up with a bunch of descendents today?

I understand the Boleyn descendent cause we are looking at Mary’s bloodline there, but from my brief calculations Henry’s bloodline is dead.

Wishful thinking, perhaps?

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March 10, 2012
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Tayla said

It would be interesting to trace back so far in history, and talk to someone who is related to the Turdors. . For all you know, it’s possible you are to be related to the Tudors yourself. My friend is related to the Boleyn’s, somehow. But that would take ages, it’s very indirect and there’s lots of ‘removed’ along the way. 🙂

My maternal grandmother was a Tudor born in Wales. I have distant cousins who are Tudors. Whether they are related or not to the famous family, I do not know.

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March 10, 2012
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Bill1978 said

May I ask a really dumb question? How can those people on the Tudors special feature claim that they are descended from Henry VIII? Maybe I’ve forgotten someone, but wouldn’t Henry’s kids have had to have children of their own to end up with a bunch of descendents today?

I understand the Boleyn descendent cause we are looking at Mary’s bloodline there, but from my brief calculations Henry’s bloodline is dead.

Such people could only claim descent from Henry if it could be conclusively proved that he was indeed the father of one or both of Mary Boleyns children. Of course Henry may have fathered other illegitimate children (aside from Henry Fitzroy who died childless himself anyway) but Henrys’ legitimate bloodline died with Edward, Mary and Elizabeth. Books have been written on Henrys’ mistresses and supposed illegitimate children but nothing has ever been proved beyond a shadow of a doubt so personally I think people people who claim such descent are just repeating a piece of old family lore that has no basis whatsoever in actual fact

March 11, 2012
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Descendants of Henry’s sisters would also be related to Henry…

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March 11, 2012
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Technically though they still aren’t descended from Henry VIII, they are merely related to him and can hang out on the family tree with him. To be accurate they have to say they are descended from Henry VII

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Mya Elise said

It would be cool, and i’d love to here they’re opinions. On The Tudors dvd’s on special/bonus features they have this thing where desendants of Henry VIII are interviewed and i’m always thinking ‘your so lucky’, I mean despite my dislike for Henry it’s still flippin amazing to have that connection to that history. I’m always wishing that maybe, just maybe, i’ll related to someone who was close to Anne or something but my father’s full German and my mother is Polish, Russian, and Luthaian so I doubt I have any English hertitage which SUCKS! But maybe i’m somehow related to Anna of Cleves though which is still equally awsome.
But yeah, LOL, since Mary Boleyn had children and her children had children then it’s very likely Boleyn blood is still around somewhere and I’d love to meet anyone whose has that amazing blood line…Smile

Wow Mya, you certainly have a very diverse mix of cultures in your family. Makes mine quite boring. We’ve a mix of Irish, Scottish and Welsh.
I’ve relatives in America under the Name of Capsey, but apart from that not much else. My great grandfather Swaysland was the founder member of the Boot and Shoe trade, and you are probably to young to remember them. In some shoe shops there was a machine that you stood on and it x rayed and measured your feet my Great Grandpappy designed and patented it. I can remember it but then I am an old croc.
You never know Mya I bet if you were to go back as far as you could where Hatches, Matches, and Dispatches were concerned you may find you do have a bit of British blood in you after all.

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Bill1978 said

May I ask a really dumb question? How can those people on the Tudors special feature claim that they are descended from Henry VIII? Maybe I’ve forgotten someone, but wouldn’t Henry’s kids have had to have children of their own to end up with a bunch of descendents today?

I understand the Boleyn descendent cause we are looking at Mary’s bloodline there, but from my brief calculations Henry’s bloodline is dead.

In theory yes Henry’s bloodline is dead, but neither of his sisters are. After all our Queen is related to the Tudors, via Elizabeth Stuart,( Daughter of James 1st England/6th of Scotland) who was the Queen of Bohemia, Of course there are possibly a number of removes there, but it’s Elizabeth’s daughter Sophia that’s the direct desecendent, to our Queen so without Margaret Tudor (Henry’s sister) our Queen wouldn’t exist, and the whole of our Monachy, even our history would be completely different. For all we know we could have a King Cosmo and a Queen Buenhilda. Even worse would be a Queen Lorna and King Dinosaur Urrrgggg don’t bear thinking about….

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Bill1978 said

Technically though they still aren’t descended from Henry VIII, they are merely related to him and can hang out on the family tree with him. To be accurate they have to say they are descended from Henry VII

Yes this is true. It certainly looks like the Lancastrian line rules supreme after all doesn’t it?

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Anyanka said

Tayla said

It would be interesting to trace back so far in history, and talk to someone who is related to the Turdors. . For all you know, it’s possible you are to be related to the Tudors yourself. My friend is related to the Boleyn’s, somehow. But that would take ages, it’s very indirect and there’s lots of ‘removed’ along the way. 🙂

My maternal grandmother was a Tudor born in Wales. I have distant cousins who are Tudors. Whether they are related or not to the famous family, I do not know.

Anyanka, Wow. Dinosaur’s family is from Wales, His family were the original Guardians of the Tower, as the Kings of England used the Welsh pikemen known as Beefeaters to guard the Tower from those who would try breech it’s walls, as they well known to be fierce fighters, a stalwart loyal Kingsmen. Dinosaur has inherited the Beefeaters build short and stocky, very strong and loyal. In fact when he was younger and they went to Wales on holiday, the people there would always speak to his mother in Welsh, although thankfully she could understand and speak Welsh, but I guess his mother must have looked Welsh in appearence and they recognised her as one of their own kin.
If you ever get to travel to Wales there is some truly breathtaking scenery, it’s the most beautiful place in the whole of England ( I’m excusing Scotland although again Scotland too has some equally breathtaking scenery) There is a villiage in Wlaes called Beggelert, if I even won the lottery (Yeah right did you see that pig fly by just now?) that’s the place where I want to buy a house. It’s beautiful so peaceful and the pace of life is not like the rat race it is these days.. Although I’ll have to learn Welsh.
I have Welsh ancestors, although I’ve not gone down that path yet, I’m having enough trouble with the Scottish ones Grrr.

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March 11, 2012
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If you own I think the 1st Tudors season the desendants thing is on that one, I forget how they said they were related but they were whether from his sister’s kids or whatever.
Boleyn,
One of theses days i’m gonna have to go on Ancestry.com and see what comes up, maybe I do have some British hertiage somewhere which would be very cool. Yeah it’s kind of werid having a full blooded German as a father then my mother’s father being full Russian – they were, like, complete enemies right? But i’ve always wanted to have some kind of exotic bloodline like French or Italian because that culture interests me more than German or Russian or Luthaian or Polish does; but hey, I am what I am.

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March 13, 2012
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I know I’m getting a little carried away with all this but wouldn’t it be wonderful IF Anne’s descendants still owned some of her possessions. I’ve actually always wondered what happened to her wedding ring, did she actually have one?

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March 13, 2012
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Anne would have had a wedding ring I think, but of course upon her death, if Henry had had it returned he would have most likely had it recast.
With Anne of Cleves she returned her wedding ring from Henry and asked him to crush it as it was of no value.
Anne’s B, A/B necklaces have been debated for quite a while, I believe that the A necklace was given to Elizabeth, as for the B necklace, well that one is a bit of a mystery, some scholars have said it was possibly buried with her, although I don’t think it was made a note of by the Victorian renovators who went into the vault at St Peter Ad vincula, and basically tidied things up, before putting the markers in place that are there now. It’s perfectly possible that the B necklace was given to one of her maids who in turn may have given it to Mary Boleyn, so one of Mary’s descendents may have it. However equally so it might have been given to Henry who might have destroyed it. Henry was a known squirrel and perhaps if he had been given it might have locked it in one of his cabons (cabinets). A wilder theory is that Anne may have even given it to the executioner, it’s extremely unlikely however, and everyone here knows that some of my ideas are completely off the latch at times.
If Henry did have the necklace, it’s possible that it was in the Crown jewels in the tower why not Anne was a Queen after all, and not all the Crown Jewels could be wore at the same time, they would need a dolly cart just to get from A to B (pardon the pun) because of the weight of them. If that was the case it entirely possible that it was destroyed along with Elizabeth’s A necklace, during Cromwells reign. As the whole of the Crown Jewels had to be remade when Charles 2nd came to the throne. So unfortunatly I not entirely sure that the Crown Jewels have anything Tudor in them. It’s interesting to note however that in the last 10 years or so, the Scottish Crown Jewels were found in some long forgotten room in Hampton Court I believe. Is it just possible that there is more jewels from the Tudor Period and even before in some long forgotten rooms within the Tower etc. So who knows we may have yet to find Anne’s necklace.

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Mya Elise said

If you own I think the 1st Tudors season the desendants thing is on that one, I forget how they said they were related but they were whether from his sister’s kids or whatever.
Boleyn,
One of theses days i’m gonna have to go on Ancestry.com and see what comes up, maybe I do have some British hertiage somewhere which would be very cool. Yeah it’s kind of werid having a full blooded German as a father then my mother’s father being full Russian – they were, like, complete enemies right? But i’ve always wanted to have some kind of exotic bloodline like French or Italian because that culture interests me more than German or Russian or Luthaian or Polish does; but hey, I am what I am.

It’s always interesting to know, where your roots come from. Yours is certainly a real mix. Just goes to prove that even in advercity there is love. However the person underneath all that mix is a very loving, caring, funny trustworthy, loyal, beautiful young lady, who is a joy to have around. Equally so is a honour to call my freind…

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