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Margaret of Anjou.
December 7, 2016
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Boleyn
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Who fathered Margaret of Anjou’s child?
Was Henry 6th even up to the task?
I believe Margaret is alledged to have conceived during a period where H6 was catatonic, and he really didn’t regain his senses until the child was around 6 months old.
For some reason Jasper Tudor’s name keeps springing up in my mind (wherever it is) did Margaret sleep with Jasper to get pregnant or did she choose another bed fellow?

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December 7, 2016
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According to wiki(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_of_Westminster,_Prince_of_Wales), Edward Beaufort and James Butler are possible suspects.

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December 9, 2016
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Margaret was accused of having affairs from the time she was engaged. I think it was an English/French thing. Hate her and blame her for everything. She’s French. I think the baby was Henry’s.

December 9, 2016
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I’m pretty sure it was HVI as well as we don’t know when he became ill, do we?

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December 10, 2016
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Henry was not ill when Margaret told him she was pregnant in the early spring of 1453. Edward was born in October of 1553. Henry had become ill August of 1453 when Bordeaux fell to the french. His illness lasted 15 months. Henry regained his senses on Christmas Day, 1554. Counting backwards….
There were no rumors about Margaret’s fidelity until much later.

December 11, 2016
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Using this I got a conception date of Jan 20th..(http://www.free-online-calcula…..calculator) given a birthdate of October 13th.

So Margaret would be between 12 and 16 weeks in early spring…I suspect she would have waited to feel the baby move, so I’m guessing more towards an April date when she told Henry.

Easter was April 3rd that year so I’m thinking she may well have told him then.

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December 13, 2016
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Thank you.
It’s seems to me at least that the word bastard was thrown about quite often in the Wars of the Roses, as it was rumoured that E4 was the by blow of an archer called Leybourne?
Again the rumour was thrown out because proud Cis and her husband weren’t together at the time Edward was conceived. Of course we all know it’s complete hogwash, but at the time some people chose to believe it. 19
George Duke of Clarence certainly tried to use this absurd rumour to try and take the throne from Edward.

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December 14, 2016
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I agree, Boleyn. The men of the day seemed to think nothing of destroying women. It seems all of the strong women were accused of either witchcraft or having affairs. It didn’t seem to matter who the woman was. In Clarence’s case it was his own mother he accused of having an affair. The worse thing is that those rumors are sometimes still believed to this day. Look at poor Anne. Those men did their job well. I always question these accounts.

December 14, 2016
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Yes this is true. We all know that proud Sis favourite child was George, but how did she feel about him after he more or less called her a whore, when the rumours came out about Edward being the son of an Archer?
George must have believed there was some truth in them to turn against both his brothers as he did.

The accusation of witchcraft was a very convienent way of getting rid of very powerful woman, after all Eleanor Cobham H6 aunt by marriage and Joan of Navarre H4 wife were convicted of witchcraft.

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December 17, 2016
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Didn’t RIII mention that story as well when he was kinging???

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December 18, 2016
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Which story Anyanka, the witchcraft story, or the nothus story or both?

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December 18, 2016
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Boleyn said
Which story Anyanka, the witchcraft story, or the nothus story or both?  

Eddie not being Big Rich’s kid…

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December 19, 2016
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Anyanka said

Eddie not being Big Rich’s kid…  

But do you think he used this story as just another reason to why he seized the crown from the boys?

I find myself very drawn to proud Sis how did she feel about George and Richard, accusing her of being a wanton woman?

Margaret on Anjou must have suffered from the same sort of abuse as some people believed that her son Edward was the result of an affair, and there were a number of men that possibly could have been the father.

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February 11, 2017
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Anyanka, Richard was willing to say his mother had cheated on his father.
On June 22nd 1483, in a sermon at Paul’s Cross in London, it was announced that Edward was not the legitimate son of Richard and Cecily. He was the product of an affair Cecily had. It was also stated in this sermon that Edward’s marriage to Elizabeth was invalid and therefore, their children were illegitimate.
Throw the mud and see what sticks…
The part about Edward being illegitimate didn’t last very long. Cecily must have had a royal fit. The illegality of Edward and Elizabeth’s marriage did stick, and that is the excuse Richard used to take the throne.

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