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3:20 am
October 3, 2009
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I found this on another Tudor site and it struck me:
\”I have always found it a pity her daughter Elizabeth I never felt it appropriate to give her mother a more fitting burial. But then she never tried to formally rehabilitate her mother's reputation, either. It has been theorized that by doing so, it would have raised questions about her own legitimacy right to the throne, and given the turmoil following the death of Edward VI, the brief ascension of Lady Jane Grey, and Mary Tudor's tenacious battle to gain the throne, perhaps this was the wisest course.\”
Did Elizabeth ever try to legitimize herself or her parents marriage as Mary did? We know that her mother was always with her (per the ring she wore.)
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4:45 am
June 20, 2009
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From what I read in Alison Weir's book about Elizabeth, I don't think she did. She was determined to move forward, not live in the past like her sister. She took care of her relatives on her mother's side, but never really brought up her mother. We all know how private she was, and wearing that ring was the only thing she did in remembrance of her mother. If she thought it would make things better, I think she would've. Anne was a good mother while she was alive, and I'm sure Elizabeth thought she was just wonderful to her.
I'm sure they are together now, wherever they are, and hopefully mocking Henry for being a complete idiot.. LOL
Let not my enemies sit as my jury
8:00 am
February 16, 2009
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No, Elizabeth never sought to legitimise herself. move her mother's body or undo the annulment of her parent's marriage. I think Elizabeth was wise and knew it was better to let sleeping dogs lie, rather than draw attention again to the fact that she was actually legally illegitimate and that her mother was executed for treason, when there were other people like Mary Queen of Scots and Katherine Grey who had claims to the throne and could be used a figureheads of rebellion.
Debunking the myths about Anne Boleyn
7:44 pm
October 11, 2009
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I agree with you Claire: since Elizabeth claimed her as her father's daughter ( standing in front of his portrait in public for exemple), she couldn't insinuate that he was a murderer, the murderer of his heiress's mother. But I think that she rehabilited Anne in her own way, by being Elizabeth. She was Gloriana, the one who never failed, who bore the bad treatments and never renonced her faith or her beliefs; the one who brought back prosperity in England; the one who defeated the Armada ( or at least gave orderd for it). How could people tell that the mother of the queen, of this queen, was a witch and a wh*re? Just look at the way Shakespeare portrays Anne in Henry VIII. Ok, she's only the mother of Elizabeth, it doesn't point her personnal qualities, but it's better than the image of a family-breaker schemer, sleeping with half the court!
8:21 am
December 30, 2009
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There is an excellent new book \”Elizabeth's Women: The Hidden Story of the Virgin Queen\” by Tracy Borman which looks at all the women throughout Elizabeth's life who had an influence on her.
The book talks a lot about the sometimes hidden influence of Anne Boleyn on Elizabeth, particularly as Queen. Elizabeth used a lot of her mother's symbols, including the Falcon Badge of AB, and made sure that all her Boleyn relatives were taken care of. Elizabeth promoted many of her mother's followers to positions of influence at Court. She even wore one of Anne's famous pendents in a portrait of her as Princess.
I think the earlier poster was correct, Elizabeth didn't arrange reburial of her mother, nor reopen the thorny question of her parents' marriage because that would have drawn attention to the uncertainty of her birth. She always emphasised her relationship to her father.
However, I do think she had a strong regard for her mother and her mother's innocence of the charges against her.
9:30 am
February 16, 2009
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Hi Jasmine,
What I loved about the Borman book was the credit that she gave to Anne Boleyn as having an influence on Elizabeth. Yes, she was executed when Elizabeth was under 3 but Elizabeth's coronation symbolism, the fact that she surrounded herself with Boleyn relatives and people like Kat Ashley and Blanche Parry who would have known Anne, and the locket ring she wore to her death all point at Elizabeth holding her mother in high regard. I did a series on the Borman book and the excerpts read out on the radio over at The Elizabeth Files, see http://www.elizabethfiles.com/…..-hag/3002/ and other posts from September. I have also discussed Anne and Elizabeth here at The AB Files:-
/anne-boleyns-influence-on-elizabeth-i/2745/
/anne-boleyns-influence-on-elizabeth-i-part-2/2770/
/a-tale-of-two-coronations/2802/
I know it's fiction, but I love the speech that Anne makes to Henry when he visits her in the Tower in “Anne of the Thousand Days”:-
“But Elizabeth is yours. Watch her as she grows; she’s yours. She’s a Tudor! Get yourself a son off of that sweet, pale girl if you can – and hope that he will live! But Elizabeth shall reign after you! Yes, Elizabeth – child of Anne the wh*re and Henry the Blood-Stained Lecher – shall be Queen! And remember this: Elizabeth shall be a greater queen than any king of yours! She shall rule a greater England than you could ever have built! Yes – MY Elizabeth SHALL BE QUEEN! And my blood will have been well spent!”
Debunking the myths about Anne Boleyn
6:15 pm
December 30, 2009
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Thanks, Claire – the links are very useful.
I, too, love that bit from Anne of the Thousand Days.
2:26 pm
December 8, 2009
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The subject of Anne Boleyn must`ve been such a can of worms for Elizabeth, that it was easier and much safer to leave the past were it was. And, if you think about just how close Elizabeth came to going the same way as her mother, you can understand why she preferred to remain silent on the subject. However, considering that locket ring that Elizabeth wore, her silence spoke volumes.
Be daly prove you shalle me fynde,nTo be to you bothe lovyng and kynde,
8:23 pm
January 7, 2010
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I have a question regarding some postings I've seen (And I believe it was Weir's comment) about Elizabeth wearing Anne Boleyn's \”B\” pendant in the family portrait. I looked at that portrait in pictures and unfortunately can't zoom in enough to see TOO clearly but it looks similar to the one she is wearing in the portrait done of her when she was about 13. It doesn't look like an A, B or AB. Has someone actually seen the portrait to verify? I can't find any mention anywhere that Elizabeth is wearing it and it seems like H8 wouldn't have allowed her to wear it in the portrait. And it seems it would be a big deal even today and more biographers would point it out. Can someone help?
8:49 pm
January 9, 2010
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Tracy Borman in her book 'Elizabeth's Women' makes mention of the 'A' pendant and how Elizabeth wore it as an act of loyalty to her mother when she sat for preliminary sketches for the Whitehall mural. Apparently it was small enough and subtle enough that not many people would have realised and possibly how it seemed to have escaped Henry's notice!
And maybe how its so hard to tell now!
7:59 am
March 28, 2012
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Elizabeth was Anne’s vindification and her ultimate triumph. She was wiser than her mother, and was a perfect queen. And, better yet, she had the foresight never to share her throne.
8:44 am
May 16, 2011
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I think Elizabeth was someone who kept things like the feeling of her mother’s death to herself, I think she was the type that could be open about some personal things but there was stuff that she wouldn’t talk about because it ment so much to her. I’d be the same way, I wouldn’t want to talk about it either if my mother had died like that and by own father, there’s nothing to say really anyways just that you don’t agree with it. I think if she said something about it that it would cause alot of drama and fights and it was probably a really sensitive spot for her and she wouldn’t wanna hear anyone speak badly about her mother. She probably heard people bad mouth Anne all her life and didn’t want to bring it up anymore. What was done was done and there wasn’;t anything she could do but keep her mother close to her heart. And I think she always kept hidden resentment towards her father for what happend to her mother and the fact that he was the one who caused it.
• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.
4:17 pm
January 3, 2012
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As far as Elizabeth was concerned , she kept her feelings well hidden about her mother. Which perhaps may seem a little cold of her but I think it was more of perhaps of an inspirational thing with her. She knew the perils and pitfalls of what would happen if she allowed a man to hold any form of control over her so although she didn’t mention her mother she in no way forgot her.
Elizabeth always said she was a lion’s cub and perhaps it was better that way. Elizabeth didn’t live in the past as has already pointed out she actually lived for the future and had a very clear and consice plan on how to find the right balance that would work for England, and by golly did she do it in style too. Lets face it her Brothers short reign was a disaster as he wasn’t old enough to tell the his councillors what he really wanted, and of course their was political conflict within it anyway. Mary’s reign started off well but she simply was too stubborn to except that the England that was her Mother’s was no longer here. The people had come to far in their religious convictions to be dragged back to Rome willingly. Mary’s marriage to Philip was perhaps her second big mistake, her first mistake was burning Cramner and all those who told her where to stick the Pope.
Elizabeth actually used the mistakes of those 2 reign and perhaps the latter years of her father’s reign as a template to make sure that she didn’t make those same mistakes. I know when it came to executing anyone she would actually do anything she could do to not have the execution carried out, as was the case with Mary QOS. On the whole I think Elizabeth carried Anne’s memory with her where she went although she wasn’t quite 3 when Anne was executed, Anne left an indelible mark on Elizabeth. I too would like to think they are together in the great beyond, laughing and joking, and generally having a good time.
Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod
7:21 pm
May 16, 2011
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If there is a heaven or whatever you wanna call it, I wonder what Anne and Elizabeth would of said to each other…?
• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.
7:37 pm
February 24, 2012
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I think Anne would have told Elizabeth how proud she is of her….and then they’s compare notes on what a botch up Henry made of things and have a good laugh at his expense.
7:54 pm
May 16, 2011
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LOL, Janet they would absolutely deserve a nice laugh over Henry, at the end of the day what’s done is done and there’s nothing to do but laugh about it all. I think Elizabeth would also be proud of her mother, how strong she was. God! I wished these two would of been able to live amongst each other, they would of been the perfect mother/daughter duo.
• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.
11:51 pm
February 25, 2013
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My intended post was deleted but in trying to recover it I found some on topic remarks made by others:
http://www.beingbess.blogspot……m-how.html
and
http://www.theanneboleynfiles……-giveaway/
Both show the bond and connection between Anne and Elizabeth both real and fictionalized. I believe that Elizabeth honored Anne always, even if only within her own heart and mind, and that in Elizabeth we see the ultimate triumph of Anne. The son Henry yearned for was not the Tudor legacy he imagined but rather the girl that was born to Anne. I am sure that she truly is “the most happy” Queen Mother that England has ever known.
Ainsi sera, groigne qui groigne
