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April 22, 2014
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This is maybe a bit fanciful but do any of you ever think about going back in time. I often think if I went back in time would I even understand the language I may be able to pick out the odd word and grasp a bit of the language but the way the people spoke back then was so different to how English is spoken now, I’ve read Le Temps Viendra which has promoted this question. Or what about if we could bring Henry VIII back into the future I wonder what he would be like would he think we are all sorcerers driving cars and owning magic talking boxes (radios or TV) in our living rooms and if you really dislike Henry you could have great fun with this one telling him you will cast a spell to put him in the box. I personally find Henry fascinating I can’t understand him which is why he fascinates.

And what about the clothes wouldn’t you just like to be a lady at court wearing the finest materials cloth of gold etc (I know this was restricted to royalty) but I would have loved to have been at court, dining in the evening and then dancing and flirting in my beautiful Tudor gown.

April 22, 2014
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Tudor lady most of our members know what I would like to do to old Lard arse (Henry Turnip). It involves a pair of steel toe capped boots and a rather large polo mallet. The only box I’d like to put the fat useless lump of Lard in, is a wooden one 6 ft under. followed by that odious jumped up poppingjay the Duke of Norfolk.

Certainly it would be funny to see their faces when all of a sudden we have music seemingly come from nowhere and we start talking into a little box. The internet would certainly be enough cause for Lard Arse to shout “Off with their heads”
But to be fair Lard Arse was a highly intelligent man, and I do feel that he would have understood how electricity works, and even how the working of an internal combustion engine works too. Think about it water was used to mill the corn/wheat and rye, therefore the water was the fuel to drive the grindstone to mill the flour. In much the same way as petrol or diesel is used to drive the workings of a car engine. With no fuel the car stops, and again with no water the mill stops.
Lard arse was a keen astrologer as well. He and Thomas More I believe used to spend many a night up on the leads of Hampton court or Windsor or wherever discussing the night sky and the possibilty of life on other planets. Lard Arse may have even understood the concept the space travel.
As for dancing just remember the Pavane is followed by the Galliard.
LOL Could you see old lard arse trying to dance a Tango or the Charleston, and what about the Can Can? me thinks it would be the Can’t Can’t.
everyone in the room would be doing the pogo weather they wanted to or not if he did that.. he would look an Elephant on a trampoline.

Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod

April 23, 2014
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Fair point Boleyn about Henrys intelligence I do like to visualise and imagine I’ve always had an great imagination.

I know everyone has opinions about Henry and I know Boleyn he’s definitely not your favourite royal man. The question no one can get their heads around is how could he arrange the murder of his nearest and dearest friends and family and to be so close to Anne and Thomas More etc discussing hopes and dreams and views one day and then the next day chopping your family/friends head off when they don’t agree with you makes absolutely no sense to a sane normal person, I just do not get the man, he’s a fascinating manalthough he did some terrible things in his time, it was either his way or the highway or else.

Oh to be able to go back in time and be a fly on the wall at court and observe how the rich and the poor folk lived it would be an such an eye opener and the best history lesson ever as long as I don’t get stuck in another time zone.

P.S – I often wonder what our current royal family think about the Tudors do they ever discuss great uncle Henry VIII at the dinner table and Mary I, I’d love to be a fly on the wall at their dinner parties. I wonder whether they are privy to information which is not out in the public domain.

May 7, 2014
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Tudor Lady said
…P.S – I often wonder what our current royal family think about the Tudors do they ever discuss great uncle Henry VIII at the dinner table and Mary I, I’d love to be a fly on the wall at their dinner parties. I wonder whether they are privy to information which is not out in the public domain.

from what i’ve read and heard – about 5th hand, so no secrets – HMQ has absolutely no interest whatsoever in her pre-Victoria forebears and is completely at a loss to understand why anyone else has…

i doubt they have any inside information, of course they would be able to do the midnight tour of the tower, crawl through the depths of Windsor Castle and have a private, informal chat/seminar with any historian they chose, and so get the stuff the historian can’t really prove, but has a good suspicion of.. but the private stuff the Windsors have is very much about their house, not the Hanoverians, or the Stuarts, Tudors or Plantagenets.

if i were to get my time machine out i’d have Elizabeth I, Henry VII and Richard III round for a dinner party – not only would the interaction between the three be facinating, but they could go through my book collection with a fine tooth comb… i might also see if i could get Eleanor of Aquitaine and Elizabeth of York very drunk and into the hot tub!

May 8, 2014
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Yeah.. I’m under the impression that her education in many respects was of a typical post WWI child and when she became the Heir Presumptive it was a tad too late for the whole exposure to English/British history needed while HMQ was gioven a more though grounding in world politics.

QEII is actually some-one I’d love to talk to. Her grasp of the intiracies of the modern political landscape which she has initimate knowledge of for the past nearly 70 years makes her an ideal dinner paryt guest.

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May 8, 2014
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The royals past and present are a fascinating family. Some past royals more cruel than other past royals. Although all the Tudors/Royals are interesting characters I’m still glad I was born in the 20th century and did not participate with the barbaric public executions, life meant so little to the monarchs back then. How they could sign a death warrant for somebodys mother or somebodys father and leave a family destitute or children as orphans is difficult to grasp but I suppose this is history and it’s also what makes history interesting.

If I could bring back some royals I bring Henry VIII, Mary I and possibly Elizabeh I and I’d send them on a life review where they could see the effects of some of the decisions they had made and how much suffering they had caused and I would hope that even though they lived in a time where it was normal to have someone executed they would understand and feel terrible for the suffering caused.

QEII always looks lovely, she looked lovely at her Diamond Jubilee celebration. At work we all had to do a survey of who we would have attending a dinner party (team bonding) and QEII was my choice I’d also ask Harry to attend.

May 8, 2014
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I agree that the executions back then were barbaric, but back then believe it or not they were considered family entertainment. A beheading was almost as big news as the Superbowl event or the Wimbeldon finals are today, Big business in short..

Market traders would have made a small fortune out of the event, and of course the higher standing in sociaty the victim was the more money could be made.
As for signing the death warrants of people Kings and Queen couldn’t really afford to show any form of sentiment or compassion they had to show that they were ruthless or they could be seen as weak and indesisive, and that could (and probably would) be exploited by other power hungry people. That didn’t mean that they didn’t have a conscious over those they had sentenced to death. I’m pretty sure that Face ache was tormented for the rest of his days after he had signed Anne’s death warrant, and Elizabeth too was tormented for the rest of her life after Mary QoS execution. But that was the price they paid for it.

Public executions were also served as a good deterent against crime, in the sence a parent could say to the child, misbehave and you’ll end up on the end of a rope, or be burnt at the stake, like this man or woman.
Death like life back then was viewed very differently back then too. If a child died in a family it’s was Gods will and there were others to replace the lost one. woman dying in childbirth again was seen as God’s will and as cruel as this sounds, the men probably viewed the whole thing as “Oh well plenty more fish in the sea” and went out and caught one.

If you could give Face ache and Elizabeth another shot at life or let explain why they acted like they did, you would probably be surprized by their reasons. Both Face ache and Elizabeth IMO only did what they felt was best for their people at the time, although in Face ache’s case it was what he wanted too, even if it meant killing his closest freinds. So minus a few million brownie points again for Face ache. Elizabeth’s reign was quite peaceful compared with that of her sister’s and the latter half of her father’s reign. Her only black spot was really the execution of Mary QoS, but again she didn’t make the decision lightly to execute her. 20 years is a long time to procastinate over a execution warrant, and in the end she sifgned more or less under protest, although she signed it she had’t given her officers the permission to carry out Mary’s execution, but they went and did it anyway.
Mary Tulip (sorry Jasmine :() on the other hand in my opinion seemed to get drunk on her own power being monarch and executed people with impunity but I believe she felt that she was saving their souls or some such flap doodle skullduggery.
Edward was not really able to influence much authority over the lives of his subjects, much of what went on, was down to the regency council, but I believe if he had lived to be master of his own realm his mind set would have likely to have been like Elizabeth’s at peace with the known world, steering the mid line, and really only getting involved if something threatened him and the realm, just as the Armada crisis had with Elizabeth.

Time machine wise apart from going back to tudor times and kicking a few bells of shit out of creatures features fat arse. I’d like to see what really happened in the tudor courts. Our history is based on written reports and hearsay etc so to actually se what truly happened would answer a lot of questions. One of the many mysteries I like an answer to is what happened to Anne’s B necklace? I also would like to see how she truly looked again we have many portraits reported to be her, but artists tend to see something very different in the person they are painting. Holbien’s portrait of Anne which to be honest is not my favourite portrait, my favorite portrait is the John Hoskins portrait. Certainly I would like to see what K.H looked like again as with Anne B there are many portraits of K.H but which one is a true likeness?
Again the accepted portrait of K.H is not my favourite I believe it was Anyanka or Sharon, who posted a believed portrait of K.H and that is what I perceive as the real K.H. A beautiful young girl, who was thrown as a sacrifical lamb into the lions den, and ultimetely got devoured.
As for the picture of Creature features, after I had rearranged his features for him Holbien wold have to get his paintbox and pencils out again and paint another picture of him. Oh and I’d belt the Duke of Norfolk once or twice with a mace too, just for being an odious jumped up cretinous poppingjay.

Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod

May 12, 2014
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That is very sad that the queen doesn’t have any interest in the history of England. Sad and kind of weird.
If I had a time machine, I’d also want Harry Potter’s cloak of invisibility. That way I could go every where and hear everything.
Now for dinner, Elizabeth I, Henry VIII, Anne, Charles II, his Nell, John of Gaunt, Richard III, Edward IV, Henry II, and Eleanor of Aquitaine. I’m sure there are more.
Elizabeth I did not want to kill Mary QOS. If I remember correctly, at the end of her life, Mary’s and Essex’s executions haunted her.

May 12, 2014
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Sharon, Elizabeth agonised over Mary QoS death, she knew that Mary was to die if there was to be peace in the realm, but at the same time she was afraid of what would happen if she did kill Mary. In the end she sighed the death warrant mainly because her councillors had begged and begged her to, so she sighed to shut them up.. However she gave no permission for the warrant to be dispatched, I rather think it was Cecil who took it upon himself to do that, before she could change her mind. In fact I’ve read somewhere that she was actually in the process of of writing an order to burn the execution warrant, when news of Mary’s death was brought her, by a man called Davidison I think his name was. Elizabeth was so shocked that she had Davidson thrown in the Tower for allowing the execution to take place without royal authority.I think this was a ruse really as she berated davidson etc in front of whole court which of course would have had the ambassadors from all the Catholic courts in Europe present.
So by going Ape Shit upon hearing of Mary’s death it would appear she knew nothing about it.

It’s rumoured that Mary’s death warrant was lay with a load of other paperwork which she was to sign and when she had signed it she said something like this to Cecil. “It appears there is more to this paperwork then meets the eye.” I think it means that she was aware of what she was sighing, but because it was buried in amongst other paperwork she could sort of say she knew nothing about it.
Mary’s death did vex her for the rest of her life, but she knew that she had no choice sooner or later it was going to be her death or Mary’s.

As for Essex, I feel that it was a little more than just sorrow, Essex to her was the last link to Sweet Robin, and her youth, when Essex betrayed her, he killed not just her trust for him but also destroyed the happy memories of her youth and of her sweet Robin. I don’t think she ever truly got over R.D death, I think Essex became R.D in her heart and mind, that way she didn’t have to deal with his death, because in her heart and mind he was still alive. When Essex was executed she know that was the end of her life really, she hung on for a couple more years, but it wasn’t a life it was more of an existence, and she started dying the moment the axe fell on Essex’s neck, in my opinion she died a slow and agonising death she lost the will to live really but her body in this instance proved stronger than her will and refused to give in. Elizabeth’s reign was the Golden age, as it is so called, her death however in my opinion is perhaps the saddest of all the kings and Queens because she had no one from her youth with her when she died, there was no one to even call her Bess in her final years, she died alone surrounded by people whose only thought was for the riches and titles they could get off Jimbo.

Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod

May 13, 2014
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I’m pretty sure Elizabeth knew what she was signing. I thought she signed it, gave it to Davidson, who was her secretary, and told him to hold off giving it to the council. Somehow, (choke) the council received it. That’s why she threw a fit and had Davidson thrown in the Tower. Either way she was plagued by Mary’s death. Essex deserved death, but you are right, she loved him due to the connection to Dudley. Her death was very sad.

May 13, 2014
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I think she did know that Mary’s death warrant was amongst the paperwork she signed it. It’s funny how the paperwork in the Tudor courts went walkies isn’t it.? Much the same thing happened when face ache signed the warrant for K.P’s arrest, that somehow mysteriously ended in K.P’s to do tray on her desk..Guess like Mary’s death warrant it decided to take the scenic route too.
I think the council decided to get the warrant away to Fotheringay and depatch Mary before Elizabeth had time to change her mind. To them she had been procrastinating long enough.
I do feel her greif for Mary was genuine. Simon Schuma said that Mary and Elizabeth’s problems could have been solved if they had been able to marry each other. And in a way they had, Mary the woman had given birth to a child, Elizabeth (although a woman) had the courage and zeal of a man, and between them they had a child. It was only a little thing with a big name Magna Britannia (Great Britain)

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