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Executions and Titles, Land, etc...
November 18, 2010
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Ok…so when people were executed who held titles and land and whatnot, were those titles and lands forfeit?  Could the family retain the titles and land or were they cast out?  For example, when Anne Boleyn was executed, was she no longer the Marquesse of Pembroke?  And was George Boleyn no longer Lord Rochefort?  Was Jane Parker still entitled to be called Lady Rochefort?  Obviously, the King must have taken possession of Hever Castle at some point after Anne's death since he gave it to Anne of Cleves upon their divorce.  If Thomas Boleyn was still alive, was he allowed to remain at Hever Castle after Anne's death until he died?  Was everything that Thomas Cromwell earned throughout his life seized upon his arrest and subsequent execution?  Or did all that depend on the reasons for the arrest and execution?  I'm just kind of confused…were all lands and titles given and taken at the king's discretion?

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November 19, 2010
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I think it pretty much went that the king could take pretty much whatever he wanted from an executed persons estate.  The family could in theory be left pretty much penniless though they were usually left with something.  It could take years (or a change of monarch) for the family to work themselves back into the king's favour.

Thomas Boleyn kept Hever after Anne and George's executions.  He was lucky that his childrens' deaths weren't more ruinous financially for him.  As Thomas had no living son and heir on his death Hever went to the king who could then do with it as he liked.   I guess he could have left it to Mary as his last living child but for some reason he chose not to.

As Cromwell pretty much owed everything he had to Henry, I'm assuming most of it went back to him, though I know that Cromwell's son Gregory became Baron Cromwell only a few months after his fathers death.

November 19, 2010
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I always wondered if Henry's giving AOC Hever was a not so subtle hint regarding how much trouble you can get in by risking Henry's wrath.

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November 19, 2010
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I have always read that Henry regretted the execution of Cromwell fairly soon after his death…guess that just proves that you don't really know what you have until it's gone.  Maybe bestowing the title of Baron on Cromwell's son was Henry's way of saying, “Whoops, my bad…”

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November 19, 2010
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Anyanka said:

I always wondered if Henry's giving AOC Hever was a not so subtle hint regarding how much trouble you can get in by risking Henry's wrath.


Probably most courtiers owned property that once belonged to convicted traitors at one time or another, so yeah, a not so subtle warning indeed!  But then you didn't always have to be guilty of anything to loose it all….

And I think I read somewhere that Cromwell was the only person that Henry in any tiny way regretted the execution of.  Not wives, other family members or friends but a bureaucrat!   

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