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Thoughts on Season 4 Episode 1 SPOILER ALERT
April 12, 2010
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Any thoughts on Season 4 episode 1 guys and gals? Someone sent me a link to watch it online and it worked so I'm a happy girl. Here are my thoughts:

  • Catherine was too giggly – felt like executiing her myself
  • Catherine and Joan – were they hinting at an affair between the girls in the past too?
  • Henry and Elizabeth – loved that far away dreamy look that Henry got in his eyes after seeing Elizabeth, was he thinking of our Anne?
  • Charles Brandon – Think he's being haunted by the past and is feeling guilty. The bit when he referred to those who were missing and spoke of Thomas Boleyn's death.
  • JRM – Slipped into Irish a couple of times, bless him!
  • Earl of Surrey – very Scottish, a bit Sean Conney like!
  • Culpeper – Great actor and those eyes! Loved the way that they did draw on the story of the rape which Culpeper is said to have committed. Nowhere suggests that he killed the park/gamekeeper though, I think it was a villager who tried to help “arrest” him.
  • Mary – I'm so glad that Sarah Bolger is in the opening credits and look forward to her having a bigger part, loved her haughty behaviour with Catherine, it was the kind of look you give when you've stepped in something yucky!

Anyway, I did enjoy it but Catherine's giggling may drive me mad!

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April 12, 2010
11:58 am
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Sadly I do not have showtime, but I did see the first two episodes online…

I agree with you about Catherine… She sounded like a bumbling idiot at times.

Her “friend” Joan seemed soo desperate. It was hard for me to watch. It seemed like she wanted things to remain as they were with the Duchess, and expected Catherine to treat her as a “special” friend.

Charles looked very sad.. I wanted to hug him…

JRM just looked like he was enjoying his mid-life crisis..

Surrey creeped me out a bit.. He seemed as if he was more important than the others, and his attitude was very haughty..

Culpepper.. his eyes would make any woman do anything for him, but his attitude was almost sociopath-like..

Mary… poor mary… her stepmother is a complete idiot, and she has to deal with her. Catherine and her ladies were acting like “mean girls”, and I wish mary would've said what she really wanted to say..

I love this show, with it's faults and all, and I can't wait to see more of the older Elizabeth. there is a clip online of Elizabeth being introduced to Catherine, and the look Henry gives her, makes you think that he's reminded of her mother when she speaks… and I can't wait to see Catherine Parr also.. but I'll have to find the episodes online, and showtime is not included in my cable package..Cry

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April 12, 2010
12:33 pm
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Well….finally Season 4.  I thought the first show of the season was excellent.

Catherine…giggly but somewhat endearing.  Although my husband found her very annoying.  I was thinking, she was such a child.

Catherine and Joan….I thought they were hinting at an affair between them in the past, too.

Elizabeth…loved the far off look Henry had on his face.  I'm sure he was thinking of Anne.

Surrey…Kind of liked him.  Kind of scary. 

Culpepper…absolutely appalled me.

Mary…Thought she was rude, but I understand why.  Excellent scene. 

Henry's first reaction when Catherine said Mary didn't treat her with respect was a big Oh-Oh!

Did anyone happen to catch the look on Jane's face as Mary and Catherine were speaking?  She had a creepy smile on her face and was looking directly at Mary as if she approved of the way Mary was acting.  At least that's the way I saw it.

The mud scene…i Laughed and laughed.

Is the woman who plays Catherine Parr Vanessa Redgrave's daughter?  I think I saw her with Vanessa at an award show.  She looks just like her.

Charles…Oh my!  How could I ever forget him.  Well…love the long hair. Loved it short too.  Charles is older than Henry.  I think he's looking back on his life with some regret while Henry seems oblivious as usual. Charles dies before Henry.  Maybe all this nostalgia means he will be gone soon.  It is fiction, maybe they won't kill him off.  He is so nice to look at.

April 12, 2010
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Sharon said:

Is the woman who plays Catherine Parr Vanessa Redgrave's daughter?  I think I saw her with Vanessa at an award show.  She looks just like her.


Yes, Joely Richardson is Vanessa Redgrave's daughter (and sister to the late Natasha Richardson).

I don't have Showtime and my broadband is being balky playing the episode on Showtime, so I've been catching clips of various scenes on YouTube.

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April 12, 2010
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Didn't know this about Joely Richardson!

Catherine- Thought she played her role well, but yes, the giggling annoyed me at times too.  I was like, WHAT IS FUNNY??? Haha.  She makes me laugh though and she's so pretty!

Catherine and Joan- I got that impression too but thought I might be just seeing things!  I guess it just adds to the mystery for those who don't know much about the facts.

Henry and Elizabeth- I love it!  Elizabeth is so beautiful and mysterious, and I definitely think Henry thought of her mother!

Charles- I think he's seeing how corrupt Henry's court has become and regretting some of his actions in the past.

JRM- Claire, you noticed that accent too during his speech about craving war! Kinda added to the mood though. I love him. Laugh

Earl of Surrey- I like him and don't; his character isn't my favorite but adds something to the show, especially since he's a Howard on his way to sleeping with Edward Seymour's wife.

Thomas Culpepper- Those eyes! His character is so intense, almost obsessed with Katherine, but obviously it's more lust than love. And I also liked that the scene with the gamekeeper's wife was included to give us more insight on his character. I hate how they're totally giving away what happens with the previews though! I wish they would leave it a little more mysterious.  But then, it's common knowledge that Henry had six wives, so I guess everyone knows something has to happen to Catherine.

Mary- Love, love, love her!  She looked at Catherine like she was a bug she wanted to squish.  And I, too, am glad she has a bigger role now.

Sharon, I noticed that look from Jane too!  She was definitely creepier on this episode, which is fitting.

All in all, I loved it!  And I can't wait for episode 2 Laugh

April 12, 2010
11:35 pm
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Don't have showtime either, but I did manage to watch episodes 1 and 2 online (tv-dome.net if anyone is interested).

Catherine- Very annoying giggle but I think that overall Tamzin captures Catherine's character well, it is close to how I imagine her (although going back to season 3 I find it was much too obvious that she wasn't as pure and innocent as she seemed)

Henry and Elizabeth- Love it! Especailly when Henry is reminded of Anne.

Charles- *sigh* sure hope he won't be killed off. Glad to see him older and wiser this season, clearly regretting his actions in the past.

JRM- Looking past the fact he looks nothing like Henry, I found his acting as great as ever.

Earl of Surrey- Mixed opinions on this one, good to see a new character though.

Thomas Culpeper- Very handsome indeed,although that scene with the gamekeeper and his wife was completely unexpected (I was shocked to find out later it was likely to be historically correct). Mr Culpeper is a much more complex character than I thought!

Mary- Great to see her in the credits! Although, I am wondering, is the open hostility between her and Catherine true? What was their relationship really like?

Tv dome hasn't uploaded a new episode for about 2 weeks but I sure hope they will release the other episodes as they air.

This is looking like it's going to be a great season!

April 13, 2010
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Sabrina…Surrey would have absolutely resented the Seymours.  He was a Howard and to the manner born.  To him they would have been upstarts who rose too high, too fast.

Lina…Hi…I have been reading Kelly Hart's book, The Mistresses of Henry VIII.  She claims Mary and Catherine had several shouting matches.  Completely understandable on Mary's part.  That was an excellent scene between those two.

Carolyn… thanks

April 13, 2010
12:19 pm
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I know.. but I can't stand that attitude.. Wink He creeps me out, especially after begging Seymour's wife to sleep with him.. And her disgusting husband wanting her to do whatever to make Surrey friendly towards them.. I love the show, and I can't wait to see more, but certain things about that period make me sick..

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April 13, 2010
1:54 pm
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lol @ “felt like executing her myself”

I got a different impression from the giggly-ness.  I was thinking “I wish I were so carefree to just enjoy every (mundane, not worth laughing about) moment of life like that.”

Regarding Katherine's friend Joan-there were definitely some sapphic undertones there.  What bothered me though was that she has such a modern looking haircut.

I watched the episode while working out on the treadmill and had to grab my phone and text a tweet (to Twitter and Facebook) that JRM kept slipping into an Irish accent.  I almost fell off!  I've heard a lot of stories of actors doing bad accents on purpose because they are mad at the director or want to leave the production but are locked into contract.  I hope that's not the case here!  I never would have thought the skinny guy from Velvet Goldmine and Trainspotting would have been able to play Henry VIII but I was wrong!  He really sells the role.

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April 13, 2010
2:55 pm
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I noticed him slip into quite broad Irish when he was on his horse hunting with Charles Brandon, talking about his leg, and then later talking about war. I was watching it on my laptop with headphones on and my husband wondered what I was chuckling at. He has done so well to cover up his accent though, and so have the Americans in the show, as it is hard to do a British accent, it's easy to overdo it and go all posh!

Yes, I too noticed Joan's bob haircut and thought it wasn't in keeping with the times.

Sabrina, Surrey was creepy, totally so, but isn't Seymour's wife a complete… well, I don't know how to say it politely lol! His first marriage, to the woman who had had the fling with his father, was well and truly over by this time in real life though and he was married to Anne Stanhope, so that's a diversion from history.

In the scene when Mary came to visit Catherine I had mixed feelings. Poor Mary having to have such a young and immature stepdaughter, a woman very different from her beloved mother, but Catherine was reaching out to her and got rather snubbed. It was interesting, as Sharon said, seeing Jane Rochford watching it all.

Joely Richardson – Yes, as some of you have already said, she is one of the famous Redgrave/Richardson family. I loved her as Lady Chatterley in Lady Chatterley's Lover with Sean Bean.

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April 13, 2010
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here's a new video, with new scenes from the final season… I can't wait to see the whole thing!!!

I know Anne Stanhope is not the most ladylike of wives… but if she does things of her own accord, that's fine.. I would not let my husband whore me out to serve his interests. but then again, i'd have been executed for speaking my mind.. LOL

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April 13, 2010
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The bob bothered me too!  I mean it could've happened in history due to horrible lice or something, but I thought having that on the show was a bit much. 

Seymour's wife is definitely not a lady, but I think her character and her relationship with her husband are good aspects of the show in that they are classic examples of how lightly marriage was taken during this time.

April 14, 2010
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If I remember didnt Seymours wife sleep with his father not his brother? Guess they have changed the storyline abit there since they killed of the dad in episode 3? Plus it wouldn't be as good viewing!

I quite enjoyed the first 2 epidoes and i'm enjoying Catherines giggles, I guess they want to emphasise how young she was and her lack of suitability to be a Queen. Remember people watching this might not know alot about the Tudors so unless they make it really obvious, they wouldn't 'get' it

April 14, 2010
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Yes, Seymour's first wife was Catherine Fillol and their marriage was annulled after she'd had the fling with his father. I don't think his second wife, Anne Stanhope, would have behaved like that, she seems to have been a snob who looked down on people e.g. Catherine Parr when Thomas Seymour married her and Anne Stanhope was the Duchess of Somerset and the Lord Protector's wife. Her wikipedia page says the following:-

“Anne's snobbery and pride were intolerable, yet she was highly intelligent and determined. Antonio de Guaras, a Spanish merchant living in London, would later say of her, that she was “more presumptuous than Lucifer”.”

“Through her mother, Anne was a direct descendant of Thomas Woodstock, the youngest son of King Edward III and Philippa of Hainault.”

“Anne was a great friend of Princess Mary and her sister-in-law Jane Seymour.”

“It was well-known throughout England that Anne ruled her husband.”

“Anne had seven children from her marriage to Edward.”

So, I think they've taken the character of Catherine Fillol and given her Anne Stanhope's name!

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