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Season 4 (spoilers)
June 10, 2010
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Bambaleyn
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Just watched the eighth episode of season 4 – not sure if that makes me up-to-date or not…

One thing that strikes me is how dislikable Henry has become. He's so heartless and impatient. The way he treated Chapuys made me tear up for some reason – the poor man was struggling on two crutches and yet Henry didn't think to show some decency and instead watched him struggle to make his bow. I think I read that actually, Henry was sad to see his old sparring partner leave his court. I'm certainly sad to see Chapuys leave!

Shades of what Mary was to become as queen in her little rant against heresy as well. “I don't care how many heretics I have to burn, how much blood must be splilt” etc. I really like the actress that plays her.

Nice to see Charles getting a bit of action again, the French chick has put a smile back on his chops that's for sure…

And Edward is soooo sweeet, I just want to squish him!

~ Team Anne ~

June 11, 2010
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Henry is becoming more and more intolerable as the show proceeds.  I find it tough to watch the Henry as he is in episode 8 compared to the Henry who fell in love with Anne.  Can't say I ever felt he was a nice man, but I feel bad for what he made himself become.

Chapuys-Never liked him to begin with, but found myself feeling really bad for him during the bowing scene. I had a few tears when Mary asked him not to leave.  He had always been there for her while her Father was not.  She loved him dearly and he had to leave her.

Mary- Along with the threat of things to come when she reaches the throne, I didn't like it at all when she talked about Catherine not being of the true faith.  That scene made her as scary as her Father. 

Bishop Gardiner-This guy disturbs me on oh-so-many levels.  I catch myself making a fist and clenching my jaw every time he makes an appearance.

Edward-He is just the cutest little boy.

Charles-I've waited a long time to see that man smile.  Well worth the wait. 

June 12, 2010
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I felt bad for Chapuys. It was obvious he was in pain…

Mary.. oh Mary.. I wish she could see into the future so she can see what her fanatiscism does to her country.

Edward.. he's too cute..

Brandon.. now why can't I be that French girl!!! LOL

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June 14, 2010
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My two cents:

I LOVE Chapuys!  Honestly, the writing on the show kind of sucks (in my humblest of opinions), but the actors are amazing and the guy who played him made the role into something great.  When Mary cried on his shoulder a few episodes ago I got teary-eyed myself!

One thing that bothers me about The Tudors (that I've probably mentioned before) is how they get rid of characters so easily.  Like Cranmer-he was so instrumental in bringing down Catherine Howard, yet he hasn't been seen since the second season.  The Duchess of Suffolk gets mentioned a lot, but the actress hasn't been actually onscreen in a while.  I always laugh when Charles Brandon talks about how she's mad at him-it's like he's asking the audience “you guys buying this?”  The Duke of Norfolk would have been a great character to show during Catherine Howard's story arc, but alas.  And when Catherine Parr was introduced as though she and the lady Mary were already good friends, it felt like a missed opportunity.  It would have been really cool if she had been shown before that, so the audience could feel that little bit of dramatic irony, like we know she's the next wife but the characters themselves don't.

Last thought-I just watched episode 9, and damn.  They aged the characters a lot between episodes 8 and 9.  Henry's got an old man voice and everything.  

Ainsi sera, groigne qui groigne.

June 16, 2010
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  Episode 9:  I had to laugh at the scene with Gardiner after Catherine gave her opinion on a religious point.  Gardiner was telling Henry she shouldn't have said what she said.  Henry then puts his head down with his thumb and finger on his nose.  He didn't say anything but he seemed to be thinking, “I'm getting too old for this crap.”  Then the look he gave Gardiner (after he told him to investigate Catherine) as the Bishop was walking away….Whoa!  If looks could kill.  It brought to mind a print I've seen somewhere of Henry as an old man.

Mary-A little too smug with Catherine. Telling her that there is talk about Henry and another marriage?  That was cruel.  She looked like the cat that ate the canary.

In the last 2 episodes they did age everyone.  I like it though.  At the end they showed the different periods of Henry's life.  It really is incredible how they aged JRM.  He is doing such an awesome job of portraying Henry.

I wish Norfolk was still in the series, too.  I would have loved to have seen him arrested with his son. 

That whole thing with Charles…the french girl…his son Henry…the missing, but ever present, wife…very strange.  And yet, Charles is smiling again, and that is all that seems to matter!

Anne Askew-What a horrifying death. Poor lady.

June 16, 2010
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I did not like Mary's attitude with Catherine Parr. It was very catty and childish. I don't like when others use religion to base their opinions on people. But that's just me..

Poor Anne Askew… I thought it was horrible to torture her like that. Seeing emotion from Anne Seymour was a nice change. I didn't know she was capable of showing any.

I can't wait to see the finale..

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June 17, 2010
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I didn't like Mary turning on Catherine like that either, they almost played it up like she had a part in the plot against Catherine, though I felt sorry for Mary when she was told Chapuys had died.

I'm glad they included Anne Askews story, though her torture and execution were hard to watch.

And i thought JRM was great giving Henry's last speech to parliament, he looked so old and tired and disheartened at the religious strife he had helped to bring about.

The finales shaping up to be pretty good, least I hope it is!  Sad to think this time next week, it'll all be over… Frown

June 20, 2010
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I saw the series finale this evening (Sunday, June 20). Who saw it? What did you think of it? I thought that the ghost-wives were going to have a more important role than they did Confused

Yours as long as lyffe endures, Katheryn

June 21, 2010
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Aww nooo I was hoping they would too. Have the last two episodes to watch this evening, will post thoughts when I've watched them. Sad that it's all over though Frown

~ Team Anne ~

June 21, 2010
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I'm thought so too. It was nice to see them back but it only turned out to be for a glimpse. I am also a litte dissapointed they didn't show the other three, although two of those are still alive it would have felt so much more complete.

Who else thought Jane's comment about Henry killing her son was a little…bold for her character and completely out of the blue?

June 21, 2010
8:28 am
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Sad to see it end.  I was hoping to see more of the wives. 

Although I loved seeing Anne again, I would have liked to have seen CH sticking up for herself instead of Anne doing it.  I loved that Henry didn't want her to leave.  And I loved the smile she gave him as she walked away.

Jane-I thought she was out of character at first, but then I figured she was not afraid of him anymore and could finally speak her mind. That was the real Jane….not the stifled Queen she became.  She was angry that Henry was raising their son with the same overbearing manner in which his Father had brought him up.  A Mother's anger at the way her son was treated.  Leaving one to wonder if it would have been different had she lived?

Poor Charles, dutiful to his very end.

Not even in death did Catherine of Aragon give up on Henry being always married to her and her alone. 

The changes from the young Henry to the old Henry was exceptionally done.  It was hard to believe it was the same man.

All in all I thought the end was tactfully done.  I am going to miss the show.

June 21, 2010
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I saw the finale this morning, and I must say, WOW! I admit I cried when Anne's ghost scene happened. I though they might do an “Anne of the Thousand Days,” and let Henry know what would come of Elizabeth in the future. But, the subtly of the scene was in contrast to the passion and spirit often depitcting Anne and Henry in life, on the Tudors anyway.

 I liked how Jane spoke her mind. The real Jane Seymour came through; a women of intelligence, courage, and spirit. Unlike Anne's scence with Henry, Jane rebucked him for his behaviour in life and in the treatment of Edward. For me, this was the first time I actually was on Team Seymour (for a second, at least), and the writers reflected how there was more to Jane than Henry knew. His beloved and true wife taking him to task;I loved it.

Catherine of Aragon was as steadfast in her belief that she was Henry's true wife, and who could blame here. Unless I misunderstood, COA indicates that God believes she is Henry's true wife. Can anyone claify this? I do not have a transcript of the scene.

What is great about the three ghosts is their mothery love is what brought them back. They wanted to make sure their children were safe. It seems they are always watching them from heaven.

"By daily proof you shall find me to be to you both loving and kind" Anne Boleyn

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