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Jane Seymours Siblings
May 25, 2011
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Clarebear
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I have just read that Jane Seymour was 1 of 10 children, but i can only find the names of 9 children, can anyone help with the missing child or is this information wrong and there was only 9 children.  I found:- 

John, Edward, Henry, Thomas, Jane, Elizabeth, Dorothy, Margery, Anthony.

 

Also does anyone know any dates of birth or death, so far i have found:-

John,  died 1510

Edward,  born 1500

Henry,

Thomas,  born 1506

Elizabeth,  born 1511 

Dorothy,

Margery,

Anthony  died 1520

 

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May 25, 2011
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Clarebear, don't know the missing dates of death without research, but I do know you have named all of the siblings, Jane had eight other direct family members in total.

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May 25, 2011
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Clairebear, I found reference to an illegitimate son by John Seymour.  Name John Seymour, but I found no dates for him.  He married Joan Poyntz. 

May 25, 2011
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I looked through Norton's bio on Jane, and can only find nine children listed, even though on page eleven she states John and Margery Seymour had ten children together.

So, I resorted to Wikipedia, which I am ashamed to admit, but I do not have any academic sources for Jane. According to said website, the birthdates/death dates are listed as such, but they are in a different order that I expected:

Margery Seymour (1502–1520).

John Seymour (d. 15 July 1510).

Edward Seymour, 1st Duke of Somerset (c. 1506-1552).

Thomas Seymour, 1st Baron Seymour of Sudeley (c. 1508-1549).

Jane Seymour, Queen of England (c. 1508/1509-1537).

Elizabeth Seymour, Marchioness of Winchester (c. 1513-1563).

Sir Henry Seymour of Marwell, Hampshire (c. 1514 – after 1568).

Dorothy Seymour, married firstly Sir Clement Smyth (died 1562), and had seven children, married secondly after 1562 Thomas Levinthorpe

Anthony Seymour

So, I am not sure what to make of this. I hope this helps. For me, it just confuses me. The only thing I can think of is that one child was a stillbirth, and there was no record of his/her birth. I know from my own genealogical research this happens, and how frustrating it can be.

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May 25, 2011
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I'm with Duchess:  Maybe a stillbirth with a name recycled??

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May 25, 2011
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At last, at the 8th time of asking the system has allowed me to post without going blank!

So, further to the above, from the Royal Genealogy Database of John Seymour's family tree we have:

John 1500-1510

Edward 1500-1552

Thomas 1506-1549

Henry – No Dates

Anthony – Died 1520

Elizabeth 1511-1563

Marjory – Died 1520

Dorothy – No Dates

Jane 1508-1537

John – Died 1520 – Possibly the missing family member, but there is no mention of him being illegitimate.

Note, three deaths in 1520, cause?

Right, as that's taken me all night to post I'm off to spend some time in a dark room!

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May 25, 2011
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Probably an epidemic of some kind.

 

Elizabeth Norton's book gives dates of death for Anthony and Margery as 1528 when both George and Anne Boleyn were affected by the “Sweating Sickness”

 

eta Alison Weir's 6 Wives uses 1520  as well….

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May 26, 2011
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thanks for your help guys, its much appreciated!!!!  

I too was reading Nortons bio of Jane and found the reference of 10 children, but could only find names of 9 in total, thats why it confussed me a little. 

I can now get back to my task in hand with a bit more insight!  i am trying to write a novel of Jane in the form of a diary, just for a bit of fun, see where it takes me.  its interesting finding out more as i work on it

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May 26, 2011
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Well done you, very good luck with your future writings. When you've finished, Just watch out that PG doesn't write a sequel along the lines of: Jane Seymour – The Edge Of Reason.Wink

May 26, 2011
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Neil Kemp said:

Well done you, very good luck with your future writings. When you've finished, Just watch out that PG doesn't write a sequel along the lines of: Jane Seymour – The Edge Of Reason.

This cracked me up, Neil!

 

The 1528 Sweating Sickness epidemic is listed as one of the major epidemics, although it would have been just as reasonable to believe that Jane had three siblings die from smallpox, pneumonia, influenza, or any other number of highly communicable diseases present at the time.

Neil, according to your source, John and Edward were both born in 1500 and that just strikes me as odd.  If those dates are correct, has anyone ever seen a reference of Edward being a twin?  Clearly it's not impossible to bear two children in the same year, but certainly less common and weren't women supposed to remain relatively untouched by their husbands until they were churched?  I don't know how long that was, but I've read as long as 40 days after birth.  The timeline just doesn't line up very well unless John and Edward were twins.

I have seen dates that indicate John born in 1500, Edward 1506, Thomas 1508, and Jane late 1508/early 1509.


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May 26, 2011
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Yes, MegC, I have seen other references stating that Edward was born in 1506, which would make a lot more sense as there is no reference to John and Edward being twins. My only excuse is that it was a very long night yesterday and I made the post at around half past Midnight! I do find it curious how so many different dates can be gleaned from different sources, who does one believe? I suppose, as you did, one must look at the logic and come to the most believable solution.

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