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Intresting painting of Jane
July 4, 2011
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Elliemarianna said:

I was joking…


And avoided the question.

 

Why do you find that funny? or disturbing?

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Anyanka said:

Elliemarianna said:

I was joking…


And avoided the question.
 

Why do you find that funny? or disturbing?


Where did I say I found it funny or disturbing? It's called SARCASM!

(I don't wear make up a lot either – I am a full time mum and don't have the time)

"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

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Elliemarianna said:

I was joking…


I found it funnySmile

 

Have you seen TopModel? They are really quite disturbing with no make up!

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I don't wear much makeup myself, but when I first get up in the morning my hair is standing up on end, eyes bleary and I grunt. I look like the cat from pepi le pew after it has been dunked in water.. except I am dry.

The post made me chuckle as I am also, when I've woken up, not unattractive being tall, well proportioned, blonde, large blue eyes etc.. Ive opened my door first thing in the morning to have the delivery man take a startled step backwards! Which is why I found the post quite funny!

Sigh. I make my delivery man want to run away. He's taken to leaving packages on the doorstep without claiming a signature..

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Anyanka said:

It's sad that we still value attractiveness in women more than thier intelligence .

 

Those values should have been left in the middle ages rather than the 21st century.


People will always be judged for their appearance, as its the first thing you see before you get to know the real person. Unless you walked around with a sign saying “I'm a genius with a degree in physics” no one is gonna know. We all make judgements about others – its just human nature, unfortunately.

"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

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E said:

I don't wear much makeup myself, but when I first get up in the morning my hair is standing up on end, eyes bleary and I grunt. I look like the cat from pepi le pew after it has been dunked in water.. except I am dry.

The post made me chuckle as I am also, when I've woken up, not unattractive being tall, well proportioned, blonde, large blue eyes etc.. Ive opened my door first thing in the morning to have the delivery man take a startled step backwards! Which is why I found the post quite funny!

Sigh. I make my delivery man want to run away. He's taken to leaving packages on the doorstep without claiming a signature..


Hahaha! I always forget to wash my mascara off at night, having pale skin and black hair, I look like Edward Scissorhands in the morning. That or a shaved panda with a wig on…

"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

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Elliemarianna said:

Anyanka said:

It's sad that we still value attractiveness in women more than thier intelligence .

 

Those values should have been left in the middle ages rather than the 21st century.


People will always be judged for their appearance, as its the first thing you see before you get to know the real person. Unless you walked around with a sign saying “I'm a genius with a degree in physics” no one is gonna know. We all make judgements about others – its just human nature, unfortunately.


I value attractiveness in men and I'm always impressed if it turns out they are intelligent.   Smile 
Sorry!  I couldn't resist.

I wear makeup because I have been applying it since forever.  I only wear it these days when I go to functions such as weddings, etc.  It's a habit.  I have the same problen Meg has when I go to put my eyeliner on these days.  Three sometimes four applications to get it right.  Ellie is right when she says it is human nature to make judgements about other people's looks.  

People prejudge me at first.  (for those who do not know, I was born with one arm) Many people have jumped to conclusions about me because of their own beliefs about what is acceptable in their view of human nature.  Some are more than willing to overlook it, and some are not.  I could wear that sign that says I'm a genius, and still be treated by some as though I was unworthy.  It is annoying, but it makes me a better judge of people's character.

I think we all wish judging people on looks alone had gone out with the middle ages.

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Sharon said:

People prejudge me at first.  (for those who do not know, I was born with one arm) Many people have jumped to conclusions about me because of their own beliefs about what is acceptable in their view of human nature.  Some are more than willing to overlook it, and some are not.  I could wear that sign that says I'm a genius, and still be treated by some as though I was unworthy.  It is annoying, but it makes me a better judge of people's character.

I think we all wish judging people on looks alone had gone out with the middle ages.


Thankfully we are getting past judging people who deformed* or handicaped as being morally inferior or just plain evil. 

 

Though it does seem some things are slow in changing…(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P…..n_syndrome)

 

* sorry couldn't think of a better word at this time of night.

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Anyanka said:

Sharon said:

People prejudge me at first.  (for those who do not know, I was born with one arm) Many people have jumped to conclusions about me because of their own beliefs about what is acceptable in their view of human nature.  Some are more than willing to overlook it, and some are not.  I could wear that sign that says I'm a genius, and still be treated by some as though I was unworthy.  It is annoying, but it makes me a better judge of people's character.

I think we all wish judging people on looks alone had gone out with the middle ages.


Thankfully we are getting past judging people who deformed* or handicaped as being morally inferior or just plain evil.
 

Though it does seem some things are slow in changing…(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P…..n_syndrome)

 

* sorry couldn't think of a better word at this time of night.


What has missing person's got to do with prejudice of attractiveness? That's racism and sexism.

I
have psoriasis all over my body, including my face (luckily now its
treated so you can hardly see it) But I was bullied about it. I used to
get elderly people asking me if I was a leper, and when I would go
swimming people would leave the pool when they saw me. Regardless of how
I felt at the time – it's made me a stronger person, and while I still get embarrassed about it when it flairs up, I am glad I have it. I
don't make an effort with my appearance for others, I do it for myself,
so I can feel good about myself. Nothing beats inner beauty as that is
what really shows, but outer beauty is still considered important by
society. Just being healthy makes you beautiful, because when you look
after yourself you become radiant, its not about how much make up
someone wears or what clothes they have. People will always judge others.

"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

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Sharon said:


I value attractiveness in men and I'm always impressed if it turns out they are intelligent.   Smile 
Sorry!  I couldn't resist.
I wear makeup because I have been applying it since forever.  I only wear it these days when I go to functions such as weddings, etc.  It's a habit.  I have the same problen Meg has when I go to put my eyeliner on these days.  Three sometimes four applications to get it right.  Ellie is right when she says it is human nature to make judgements about other people's looks.  

People prejudge me at first.  (for those who do not know, I was born with one arm) Many people have jumped to conclusions about me because of their own beliefs about what is acceptable in their view of human nature.  Some are more than willing to overlook it, and some are not.  I could wear that sign that says I'm a genius, and still be treated by some as though I was unworthy.  It is annoying, but it makes me a better judge of people's character.

I think we all wish judging people on looks alone had gone out with the middle ages.

Sharon, thats awesome! My hubby is very handsome, but I didn't realise he was also intelligent until over an hour of checking him out! I was very pleasantly surprised!Laugh

I wish people would get to know me before being horrible- it really annoys me when someone is rude to me on the street after looking me up and down. If they got to know me and then decided they didnt like me I'd be fine with that! Its so frustrating!


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Elliemarianna said:


Hahaha! I always forget to wash my mascara off at night, having pale skin and black hair, I look like Edward Scissorhands in the morning. That or a shaved panda with a wig on…


Hehe! It takes me a good hour in the morning to look decent. I can never do my hair though!!! I have enlisted the help of a book of hair styles recently and am waiting for it to arrive- with any luck my hair may finally behave! I also just try to look my best for me. not for any one else..

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Anyanka, 

Yes, people are changing their views and starting to accept people for who they are.  But it has been a very long process.  I'm afraid there is an even longer way to go. They are changing far less when it comes to prejudice.  I will never understand this.  I despise the labels put on people by the majority.  Maybe the people who are viewed as different, handicapped, deformed, crippled, not pretty, diffferent skin types and colors, etc, are the perfect people, and the ordinary people, who all look the same, and think the same, are the mistake.  Just my theory.   Smile

Back to the topic.  That portrait may be exactly how Jane looked.  It is very different than others I have seen, but from what I have read about Jane, it might be spot on.  Other than Chapuys' description of Jane, is there anyone else who described her?  He didn't have a kind word to say about any of the wives except KOA, I think. He did change his view about Jane.  At least his view of her personality.   I know Henry is said to have made a comment a few days after his marriage that he wished he had held off jumping into his new marriage because he saw some beauties at court, but that was Henry being Henry.  Was there anyone else who reported on her looks or personality?

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Sharon said:

Back to the topic.  That portrait may be exactly how Jane looked.  It is very different than others I have seen, but from what I have read about Jane, it might be spot on.  Other than Chapuys' description of Jane, is there anyone else who described her?  He didn't have a kind word to say about any of the wives except KOA, I think. He did change his view about Jane.  At least his view of her personality.   I know Henry is said to have made a comment a few days after his marriage that he wished he had held off jumping into his new marriage because he saw some beauties at court, but that was Henry being Henry.  Was there anyone else who reported on her looks or personality?


I agree, there are some painting's of Henry by seemingly the same artist. Not very flattering portrait's…
 

This one is dated after 1536:

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This one is dated 1540's:

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If you're looking for nice, pleasant people who are nice to you whenever you talk to them…

…you have to move to Georgia.

I have never met nicer people and I didn't think it was possible to find more pleasant, more helpful people outside of Tennessee, but Georgia has Tennessee beat by a mile.  Even the men who work at Home Depot don't treat me stupid because I'm a female when I ask them questions.  Haven't tried to buy a car yet, though.

Those portraits of Henry are awful, too!  I mean, I know Henry was looking a little rough by this point, but wow!!  

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I'm not seeing the “rock star” in these portraits.  Again, as with Jane's painting, these are very different than the other portraits of Henry.  I don't see the kingly qualities in these two that seem to show up in other paintings.  I see no larger-than-life quality as in Holbien's paintings.  There is no light in his eyes.  He looks old and sick.  Not the vibrant figure we've seen before. 

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Sharon said:

I'm not seeing the “rock star” in these portraits.  Again, as with Jane's painting, these are very different than the other portraits of Henry.  I don't see the kingly qualities in these two that seem to show up in other paintings.  I see no larger-than-life quality as in Holbien's paintings.  There is no light in his eyes.  He looks old and sick.  Not the vibrant figure we've seen before. 


You hit it on the head!  I expect a certain level of “flubbing” when it comes to portraits of Henry and even, to an extent, his wives.  Henry was not going to let portraits he deemed unacceptable run amok–it just wasn't his style.  Despite it all, he still had an image to maintain.  The portrait on top makes his right arm look like it's not even attached to his body which is a little creepy.  Maybe we're just accustomed to looking at the Holbein potraits and that's skewing our opinions.  

Either way, I still just refuse to believe that either Henry or Jane looked that bad.  

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Don't like either picture, they don't look very professional. Can't imagine Henry liking them either knowing how vain he was, lol!

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I don't like those paintings of Henry either.  Whoever the artist was he wasn't exactly Holbein was he?!  I wonder if they were done after Henry died….

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Is it just me, or does the 1540's portrait almost look like a copy of the 1530's portrait?  I mean, some of the clothing is changed, but the colors are essentially the same and the hat he's wearing is almost exactly the same.  Do you honestly think that a man like Henry would have had the same hat as much as 10 years later?  And even if he did, do you think he'd wear it in another portrait?  That doesn't seem very Henry-like at all.

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I thought that the second was a very bad copy of the first too.

 

Almost like the master artist had his apprientices copy the orginal.

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