Hmm | The Six Wives | Forum

Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
Hmm
July 17, 2011
2:08 pm
Avatar
Elliemarianna
Corsham, Wiltshire
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 316
Member Since:
June 7, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

So I was defending Anne on a diffrent site. I received this message back, I don't really know what to make of it. Was Henry seeking a divorce in 1634? Thats the first I had heard…

“There is only one recorded happening of Henry telling Jane “shut up” and
at that it was a warning to remain away from business of state.

Compared
to Anne Boleyn, Jane was by far kind and compassionate. Jane never
publicly spoke ill of Anne or Elizabeth, nor can Jane be directly
implicated in Anne's death. Jane was a women who refused to sleep with
the King, when after Anne suffered a miscarriage it was then that
prospect of his wife came into the picture.

Jane was considered
to be the 'fairest of all” the King's wives by John Russell and “utmost
charm in appearance” by Polydere Virgil. The account the claims she “is
not of much beauty” and “rather pale” are from the same person, Chapyus.
Jane
started serving Katharine when Anne Boleyn was already in Henry's
affections, he wasn't about to notice ANYONE else at that time.

He
showed countless times he was tired of Anne's behavior before the
jousting accident. He repudiated her on several occasions for her temper
and even questioned the idea of a divorce in 1534, two years before the
joust.
His personality in actuallity no way changed after the joust,
it's speculated but evidence of Henry's change came when he broke from
Rome and was in complete control of England.

Henry may have
flirted during his marriage to Jane, but unlike Katharine and Anne,
there is no record of Henry taking a mistress while married to Jane.

And
Henry was distraught upon Jane's illness and death. Henry had planned a
hunt but called it off when Jane suddenly became sick, she had lived
for 12 days after Edward's birth. There are different reports of Henry
completely shutting down and becoming despondent upon her death. He
remained in mourning for several months and had to be convinced to
remarry.

This can all be found out in the biography on Jane by Elizabeth Norton.”

Have any of you heard about that?

"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

July 17, 2011
6:24 pm
Avatar
Anyanka
La Belle Province
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 2337
Member Since:
November 18, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

It is in that book…..

 

And some of it is correct.

 

Jane first served KoA before transfering to AB's household(page 18 and up)

 

He showed countless times he was tired of Anne's behavior before the

jousting accident. He repudiated her on several occasions for her temper

and even questioned the idea of a divorce in 1534, two years before the

joust.

I haven't found that yet…though H8 had a mistress Chapyus called the Imperial Lady due to her championing of KoA and Mary.(p 48)
I'll re-read the book in the next day or so and get back to you.

It's always bunnies.

July 18, 2011
4:53 pm
Avatar
MegC
Georgia, US
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 426
Member Since:
October 31, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Henry may have
flirted during his marriage to Jane, but unlike Katharine and Anne,
there is no record of Henry taking a mistress while married to Jane.

 

I just don't get this statement.  Does the poster recall that Henry was only married to Jane for, like, 15 months and for nine of those months she was pregnant.  Clearly, he was not being intimate with Jane during her pregnancy–it simply wasn't done–so unless he was suffering one of his periods of impotence, it would seem strange to me for Henry to NOT take a mistress during Jane's pregnancy.  And you better believe Jane was smart enough to keep her mouth shut about it.

"We mustn't let our passions destroy our dreams…"

July 18, 2011
11:23 pm
Avatar
Elliemarianna
Corsham, Wiltshire
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 316
Member Since:
June 7, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

MegC said:

Henry may have

flirted during his marriage to Jane, but unlike Katharine and Anne,

there is no record of Henry taking a mistress while married to Jane.

 

I just don't get this statement.  Does the poster recall that Henry was only married to Jane for, like, 15 months and for nine of those months she was pregnant.  Clearly, he was not being intimate with Jane during her pregnancy–it simply wasn't done–so unless he was suffering one of his periods of impotence, it would seem strange to me for Henry to NOT take a mistress during Jane's pregnancy.  And you better believe Jane was smart enough to keep her mouth shut about it.


That's what I thought! I don't think Henry 'truely loved' her till after she died. He was in love with love, not his wives.

"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

July 18, 2011
11:28 pm
Avatar
Elliemarianna
Corsham, Wiltshire
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 316
Member Since:
June 7, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Anyanka said:

It is in that book…..

 

And some of it is correct.

 

Jane first served KoA before transfering to AB's household(page 18 and up)

 

He showed countless times he was tired of Anne's behavior before the


jousting accident. He repudiated her on several occasions for her temper

and even questioned the idea of a divorce in 1534, two years before the


joust.

I haven't found that yet…though H8 had a mistress Chapyus called the Imperial Lady due to her championing of KoA and Mary.(p 48)
I'll re-read the book in the next day or so and get back to you.

Thank you Laugh I don't have to book – although I am thinking of getting it now… I have Norton's Anne Boleyn, but haven't finished it yet.

"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

July 19, 2011
3:17 pm
Avatar
Boleynfan
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 503
Member Since:
August 2, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Elliemarianna said:


That's what I thought! I don't think Henry 'truely loved' her till after she died. He was in love with love, not his wives.


Exactly! And that, I think, is a one-line summary of Henry's romantic personality. He was a romantic, yes, and fancied himself in love because the notion appealed to him, but he was truly only in love with himself, although I do think that, in his twisted way, he was in love with Anne. KoA-he might have lusted after her, but he wanted to marry her because he was quite infatuated with the idea of chivalry, and she was a maiden in distress. Jane was the rebound; Anne of Cleves was planned; Katherine Howard was the young, lusty, beautiful girl. He, I think, felt fond and affectionate of his last wife, Catherine Parr, but more on an intellectual, companion-y level.

"Grumble all you like, this is how it's going to be"

Forum Timezone: Europe/London

Most Users Ever Online: 214

Currently Online:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

Anyanka: 2337

Boleyn: 2285

Sharon: 2115

Bella44: 933

DuchessofBrittany: 846

Mya Elise: 781

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 0

Members: 427746

Moderators: 0

Admins: 1

Forum Stats:

Groups: 1

Forums: 13

Topics: 1713

Posts: 23079

Newest Members:

albakl4, Michaelfen, RamonTuP, LonnieMef, FSUimance, Lefferttault

Administrators: Claire: 959