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Anne the sword/Katherine the axe
June 30, 2011
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Impish_Impulse
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OMG, can you imagine Henry in the present as a Hugh Hefner type? Eek!

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July 1, 2011
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Impish_Impulse said:

OMG, can you imagine Henry in the present as a Hugh Hefner type? Eek!


Ew!!!!!!  Simultaneously disgusting and funny!!!

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July 1, 2011
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But where would he find a smoking jacket to fit?

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July 1, 2011
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@ E:  Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!  ROFL!!!

Soooooooo wish we had a “like” button!

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July 2, 2011
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Since posting this topic this topic I've thoughts so many thoughts about Anne and Katherine's executions and truly my heart goes out to both women dying like this.

If you were told tomorrow that you were going to be executed by sword or axe, just what would you feel and think?…..I'm sure not one of us could EVER truly imagine what they thoughts must have been. I can honestly say that I have utter and complete admiration for Anne and Katherine both in completely different circumstances but through both events shaped history.

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July 27, 2011
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MegC said:

E said:

I agree Ellimarianna, Jane knew exactly what she was doing. I think of the Seymour as “fake” which is probably why I dislike her so much. She showed her true colours by playing Henry!


Then I guess my next question is:  Do you feel the same about Katheryn Howard?  We all know that she didn't love Henry–that she was placed where she was by her Uncle and dazzled by the pretty dresses and jewels and the attention lavished on her by the King and his court and all the things that she was never able to have growing up.  
Of course Jane knew what she was doing–she wasn't stupid.  Just like Anne knew what she was doing.  Politics was and still is a game, and that's exactly what it was.  It was all about marrying your daughters and sons to the right people, rubbing elbows with the right people and knowing when to distance yourself from those same people when it was clear their star was waning.  And, in Henry's court, being on the right side–which was always whatever side Henry was on at the moment. 

No, I don't feel the same way about Katheryn Howard, and my reason is that little Kitty Howard was (to put it nicely) not very intellegent. She was very niave and in a way quite innocent. I feel katheryn Howard was used by Henry. I feel the Seymour was using Henry. Besides, Katheryn didn't cause the death of anyone but herself. And Dereham.. who was really to blame for his foolish drunken outbursts.. and Culpepper- who was just as foolish for his actions! 


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October 12, 2011
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I wonder if given the choice Katherine would have chosen the axe anyway seeing as she thought so bad of herself, that she deserved to die. Katherine lived in times that we can't begin to understand maybe somehow she thought if given the choice and died by the axe it would make her crime not so bad or something…..who knows……

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October 12, 2011
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Or maybe after the horrific execution of Margaret Pole she would've chosen to be beheaded by sword.  Not that she was allowed to make that choice for herself  Frown

November 19, 2011
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I wonder if it mattered at all that (according to my feeble research, lol) Anne had been crowned queen while Kitty had not?

February 18, 2012
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I have often wondered why the sword. The idea that it was seen as a 'kindness' seems the most likely but then I have to think after taking the trouble (and going to the extra expense) of having the man from Calais pop over to do his thing why no coffin prepared? I find it strange that there was such a lack of preparation in that sense. Her brother was coffined why nothing for her. Poor woman.

As to how she felt as she prepared herself to be executed. I don't think the method of dying matters much it is the dying which would be so hard to face. I truly hope that the intensity of religious piety in those times really did help those who were to die.

Is there perhaps any indication of someone slipping a victim a little something to 'take the edge off' as it were? I know people who were to be burned sometimes had some gunpowder tied around their necks to speed things along for them.

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February 19, 2012
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There is no evidence that George Boleyn or any of the men executed with him had coffins. I sometimes wonder where on earth these ideas come from.

February 19, 2012
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Maggyann said:

I have often wondered why the sword. The idea that it was seen as a 'kindness' seems the most likely but then I have to think after taking the trouble (and going to the extra expense) of having the man from Calais pop over to do his thing why no coffin prepared? I find it strange that there was such a lack of preparation in that sense. Her brother was coffined why nothing for her. Poor woman.

 

The lack of a  coffin was an over-sight on the part of Kingston who was in charge of  the Tower at that time. He was in charge of the queen, 4 high born men and Smeaton. Kingston had to get a court-room prepared not to mention the scaffolds and all the other details required for such an important trial.

All of this with his other tasks round the Tower.

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February 19, 2012
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Louise said:

There is no evidence that George Boleyn or any of the men executed with him had coffins. I sometimes wonder where on earth these ideas come from.

Possibly it's because that's how we do such a thing now. Coffins are such a standard part of a modern-day funeral that the idea that previous generations didn't use them is an alien concept.

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February 19, 2012
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I just don't think coffins were in the equation.  There is no mention of coffins for any of the people buried in St Peter Vincula.  The fact that the Anne's women may have placed her body in an arrow chest, could be something they decided as a last minute honor.  It is an alien concept to us that they didn't use coffins for beheaded people 500 years ago; but it's also an alien concept to me at least, that people were beheaded willy-nilly.

February 19, 2012
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Sharon said:

I just don’t think coffins were in the equation.  There is no mention of coffins for any of the people buried in St Peter Vincula.  The fact that the Anne’s women may have placed her body in an arrow chest, could be something they decided as a last minute honor.  It is an alien concept to us that they didn’t use coffins for beheaded people 500 years ago; but it’s also an alien concept to me at least, that people were beheaded willy-nilly.

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February 20, 2012
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Im one of those strange people who has read nearly every book on executions over the years lol. Execution by sword was one of the most humane ways. The axe was a heavy monster which could take serveral hits before the head came off. You just hoped the first hit made you unconsicious. I have read that the same sword was used to execute seven pirates one after the other. A sword is sharp where a axe goes blunt easily. I guess he knew Anne was innocent and wanted to make her execution more humane. As for Katherine he knew she was guilty and didn't care.In his eyes she had humilated him and made him old. Although he at least gave her beheading instead of being burnt on the stake.

February 21, 2012
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I often think of Anne being prepared to die on the 18th only to be told it wasn't to be until the 19th…….

How Anne kept her compose and strength I'll never know I admire her so much, I know it wasn't Henry's fault the headsman was delayed but I do sometimes wonder if it was spite this happened and Henry did have something to do with it…….who knows????

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February 21, 2012
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Sophie1536 said:

I often think of Anne being prepared to die on the 18th only to be told it wasn't to be until the 19th…….

How Anne kept her compose and strength I'll never know I admire her so much, I know it wasn't Henry's fault the headsman was delayed but I do sometimes wonder if it was spite this happened and Henry did have something to do with it…….who knows????

I know its unlikely, but maybe he was having second thoughts? Henry was a changeable man lol… I can imagine (if he believed the charges of course) it playing on his mind somewhat. But he couldn't go back once it she was charged… Who knows! Still I can imagine how hard it was on Anne, I imagine waiting for death is far worse than death itself.

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February 21, 2012
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I couldn't imagine how it felt, what she went through on those last days and her own death being post poned – very inhumanly of Henry. It would be like getting kicked straight in the stomach over and over. This is another reason why Anne is so admirable, her strength and courage is just incredible.

Another amazing scene in The Tudors, when Anne is notified her execution is post-poned and she gives her self false hope that maybe Henry is just 'testing' her, then her face when Kingston walks out the door….Frown

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February 22, 2012
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You do wonder don't you if somehow he wasn't behind the delay it's almost as though he was playing a game with her seeing if she'd break….could he be giving HIMSELF a day's reprieve to see how he felt now that the execution was so close…….who knows???

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