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October 15, 2013
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I am going to be writing a book but I am unsure what it should be about. It will be uploaded to a site. Who do you think would be more interesting to write about?: Eleanor of Aquitaine or Isabella of France

October 15, 2013
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AveryLane26 said

I am going to be writing a book but I am unsure what it should be about. It will be uploaded to a site. Who do you think would be more interesting to write about?: Eleanor of Aquitaine or Isabella of France

That decsion has to be yours Avery, none of us can decide that for you. As for making it interesting again that is down to you. Are you going to write it from a fictional point of view or are you going to write factually? If fictional let your mind wander and have fun with it, but you must also be prepared to put in the research, that’s the hardest bit in my opinion. Be descriptive when describing places and people. Ambiguity is always a good thing to use, when writing anything, but remember your limits, you can’t suddenly have a modern day invention in the period you are writing about, unless you are writing a fantasy historical and hysterical novel like S.W.M.N.B.N writes.
Most of all take your time write, read and edit, you will do this hundreds of times. I’m sure our benefactor/patroness Claire has done and probably is doing that right now. Don’t rush or try to force your storyline. If you get stuck and feel frustrated, STOP save it and go and do something else, give you mind a break in short. If you don’t write anything for a week it matters not, when you do pick it up again you wll find the ideas will simply leap on to the page. Detail is important, but at the same time don’t get carried away with the details of a situation, that you forget what you are writing about.
Make be handy to keep a pen and paper handy, because ideas for your book will leap out at you when you least expect it.
Read as many books as you can on your chosen topic, fact and fictional they will all help you get an idea on how to set out and go about writing a book.
It will be hard work, (nothing in life is easy) but if you are determined to do it, and prepared to do the work that it takes to do it you will do just fine.
Certainly we will be happy to give you any advice we can, but we cannot give you any ideas or who you choose to write about that must come entirely from you.

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October 16, 2013
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AveryLane26 said

I am going to be writing a book but I am unsure what it should be about. It will be uploaded to a site. Who do you think would be more interesting to write about?: Eleanor of Aquitaine or Isabella of France

From a historical perspective I find Both women compelling. I’m probably slightly more interested in Isabella’s story as I know more about her, but that is only me. How exciting to write a book! Best of luck to you!

October 16, 2013
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I agree. Both of these women are worthy. I would pick Isabella only because there is so much more out there about Eleanor. Isabella’s story always moves me. Good luck to you with your book. Let us know which Lady you choose.

October 17, 2013
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I have chosen Isabella. Thank you all though :) . I have one question that perhaps could be answered, I researched it but I did not find any certain answer. Did Isabella consummate her marriage on the night? Do we know If she did?

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I think you can safely say that the marriage was consumated on their wedding night. If it is true what the rumours say about Eddy 2 I.e preferring Piers Gaverston bed rather than his wife’s bed, then Eddy 2 would have been keen to get the job done and be out of there as soon as possible.
We can only spectulate that Eddy 2 was either Bi sexual or fully homosexual. If he was Bi sexual then I suspect he did like woman, but not enough to want to be in their company for too long, maybe seeing them as airheads and not able to have a decent conversation without tittering and having a diddle with when he felt like a change.
On the other hand if he was Homosexual he wouldn’t want to be anywhere near a woman let alone have sex with them, but he would have known that his duty would have been to produce an heir as quickly as possible so would have literely closed his eyes did the old in, out shake it all about, got out before she had time to say “Is it in?” and then went and washed Isabella off his body with the help of Piers.
The reason I put it like that is because my Nephew and his partner do not find woman to be sexually attractive or arousing in anyway at all. For them to see a naked female is a turn off and makes them feel physically sick.
I suspect that was Eddy 2’s feeling about Isabella. As far as he was concerned, she had, raped him (loosely worded) by making him do something that simply wasn’t normal to him.
Purely my opinion here mind you.

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October 29, 2013
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AveryLane26 said

I am going to be writing a book but I am unsure what it should be about. It will be uploaded to a site. Who do you think would be more interesting to write about?: Eleanor of Aquitaine or Isabella of France

Isabella is wildly interesting.I tried for years to get a book on her and couldn’t find one.Currently,the only one I know of is Alison Weir’s Isabella.It’s probably the best well known one.There doesn’t seem to be a great deal of info out there on her.I would love a more detailed one.Good luck!Smile

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I have to agree, that Isabella is certainly an intriquing woman, and very forward thinking too. Here was a young woman of 12 who came to a strange country, became Queen, and more or less ruled the country in her own right, due to her husband’s incompatant behaviour. E2 certainly wasn’t anything like his father that was sure, Bannockburn proved that.
Trouble was in my opinion she simply got too big for her boots and that was what finished her in the end. I can understand why she turned to Roger Mortimer for love, she certainly wasn’t getting any affection from Eddy. But she rather pushed her luck when she wanted Mortimer to be Eddy Junior joint regent with her.
I also think her treatment of the De-spencers was way too OTT. Granted they were a annoyance not just to her but to the country as a whole, but she went to far in the way she killed them.. It fact from what i’ve read it was quite sickening.
She had both De-Spencers brought to Hereford Market place, tied them both naked to a long ladder each under which was a large bonfire, and got her men to first chop off her victims doodles, and throw them into the fire, gut them and throw that into the fire and then pushed the ladders down into the flames so the poor De-spencers met death face first so to speak.. I never understood why she tied them to long ladders, but rumour has it that on the hill overlooking the the Market Square Isabella had had, Eddy brought tied astride a horse to watch the death of his lovers, it was said that his howls of greif could be heard above that of the crowd. Shortly afterwards he met a horrific end at Berkeley castle, again rumour has it that to this day the screams of Edward has he was murdered can be heard echoing around the castle at around the annerversy of his death..
There is still speculation of how he died, the accepted story is that he had a red hot poker shoved up his bum. this is feasable, as this would kill him more or less instantly leaving no mark whatsoever on the body to indicate foul play. and to me at least looking at the effigy of Edward on his tomb in Glouscester Catherdral I can see the shadow of a man in great pain, that my interpetation of the features anyway.

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December 2, 2013
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Boleyn said

I think you can safely say that the marriage was consumated on their wedding night. If it is true what the rumours say about Eddy 2 I.e preferring Piers Gaverston bed rather than his wife’s bed, then Eddy 2 would have been keen to get the job done and be out of there as soon as possible.
We can only spectulate that Eddy 2 was either Bi sexual or fully homosexual. If he was Bi sexual then I suspect he did like woman, but not enough to want to be in their company for too long, maybe seeing them as airheads and not able to have a decent conversation without tittering and having a diddle with when he felt like a change.

I’m not overly sure the marriage was consumated soon after the wedding since Isabella was only 12 when they married. Edward had at least one natural child, a son Adam Fitzroy. Plus Isabella had 4 live children in 9 years which wasn’t bad going for the time.

Women were lucky to be educated in those days.Isabella was lucky in having a tutor who gave her a good education and certainly her later actions prove that she was intelligent and capable of acting on her own initive.

On the other hand if he was Homosexual he wouldn’t want to be anywhere near a woman let alone have sex with them, but he would have known that his duty would have been to produce an heir as quickly as possible so would have literely closed his eyes did the old in, out shake it all about, got out before she had time to say “Is it in?” and then went and washed Isabella off his body with the help of Piers.
The reason I put it like that is because my Nephew and his partner do not find woman to be sexually attractive or arousing in anyway at all. For them to see a naked female is a turn off and makes them feel physically sick.
I suspect that was Eddy 2’s feeling about Isabella. As far as he was concerned, she had, raped him (loosely worded) by making him do something that simply wasn’t normal to him.
Purely my opinion here mind you.

Some homosexuals are turned on by members of the opposite sex, visually, mentally or both. It depends on both people in the same way that hetrosexuals can be aroused by members of their own sex. Human sexuality isn’t an on/off state, there are as many variations as there are people.

Both Edward and Piers had children with their wives as was expected by societal norms of the times. Until recently it was expected that men and women marry and have children. Being unmarried and childless was a horrifing thought.

The generation of single women engendered by WWI tilted European socitial norms. My grandmother had a cousin who shared a house with another lady whom she met nursing during WWI. It wasn’t until the cousin died that we learnt they were lesbians. They had lived reasonably openly as a couple but no-one had suspected they were a couple since many women of their era hadn’t married and made careers as nurses, teachers etc as their young man had never returned from war.

It's always bunnies.

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Thank you Anyanka..
E2 behaviour towards Isabella though was strange, I believe that he gave Piers some of the gifts that Isabella’s father had given to him on the occation of their marriage, and at times Piers was given presedance over Isabella, which pissed her off somewhat.
True they had children but at reasonable spaced intervals, but again when annual pregnancy was considered the norm ie. Have a baby wait 3 months to be churched and then get pregnant again, it does seem strange that E2 wasn’t that bothered. the infant mortality rate was so high that I would have thought he would have wanted to get as many children as possible especially sons just to make sure that a son didn’t matter which accended the throne.. On the other hand, given how many woman died early soon after or during childbirth, E2 showed some respect to Isabella in not forcing her to go through this annual ritual.. He at least her allowed her body to recover from each pregnancy. Many woman died because they were simply worn out with giving birth all the time. Even today it can take a good year or so foor a woman’s body to recover from childbirth, as pregnancy takes it’s toll on us somewhat, at least with the benifits of modern medicine etc we do tend to bounce back quite well.
Given that annual pregnancy too because of the weakened state of the mother (loosely worded) there was more chance that the child too would suffer, and either die at birth or in infancy if that makes sence…
Yeah you are right about the homosexuality bit.. What I should have said was that although my nephew and his partner find the female form not sexually attractive, they find it attractive in the sence of an art form, in much the same way as I do. Beauty comes in many forms and not just from a sexual side of things..

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