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September 13, 2012
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Thanks to Claire for posting this. I love this review of John Guy’s. He states, in far more eloquent terms than I could, what I have felt about Weir for many years. My disgust at her is not based on the mistakes she makes. I make huge mistakes, as does everyone. We’re all human. In fact Weir has on occasions changed her mind and undermined her previous findings. I actually respect her for that.
But this review doesn’t merely challenge her credibility as a historian, it challenges her honesty when referring to primary sources. She deliberately misconstrued extant sources. That is what he is actually saying, but oh so politely and oh so carefully. Be that as it may, this review puts her honesty and integrity into question. It’s that which I find so revolting about Weir, and it’s that which is inexcusable. Her dishonesty, bias and deceit damages the very fabric of the history we all love so much. And for that I have nothing but contempt for her.

September 13, 2012
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Olga, I know just what you mean. As soon as I mention Jane on Facebook or Twitter I get people saying she deserved her execution etc. It’s so sad.

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September 13, 2012
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I’m just not commenting on Alison Weir as it seems to get me into all manner of trouble if I do. if I disagree with her at all then I’m seen as “bashing” her, sigh.

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September 13, 2012
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Claire said

I’m just not commenting on Alison Weir as it seems to get me into all manner of trouble if I do. if I disagree with her at all then I’m seen as “bashing” her, sigh.

John Guy was also accused of ‘bashing’ her. His genuine complaints, which were so deserved, were completely overlooked in the rush to defend her. I find it really worrying that so many people take her word as gospel without being preparing to challenge her in any way. It’s also sad that you are accused of ‘bashing’ her when you have the gumption to challenge her and merely point out the very real inaccuracies in her work.

September 13, 2012
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Weir is childish. Normally I don’t like to judge people, but being that books are my job, and I do read a lot of books, I tend to be very analytical when I am reading things, even fiction. Sometimes I might over-analyse things *shrug* but Weir is an open book (no pun)
Weir has a pattern in her books, fiction and non-fiction, where she inserts certain comments that allude to criticism against her. Her last fiction novel, a Dangerous Inheritance, has several remarks about historical events being difficult to prove, or something along those lines. I can’t quite it exactly without going back to it (and to be frank I can’t be bothered) but her character is trying to solve the mystery of the princes in the Tower and a remark similar to that is made several times. She then makes an indirect attack on historians/novelists trying to defend Francis Brandon in the author notes by pretty much saying they are incorrect, and pulling a paper by a recent graduate out of the air to defend her opinion. Weir always makes out that anyone disagreeing with her is attacking her, and that they simply must be wrong.
Quite frankly it’s starting to disgust me. I didn’t make a note of it in my last review because it doesn’t pertain to the book and it may have been a long off-topic rant. Better to share it here. The only non-fiction book of hers I enjoyed had one of her smug notes in it about how it was longer, and therefore the first, real biography on Mary Boleyn. She is insecure, gloats and brags to cover up her insecurities, and lashes out at anyone who disagrees with her.
And yes, I only pick these things up from reading her books. Could be because I have read a few in a short time period, but her behaviour on Goodreads is enough evidence.

Ahhh. Now back to you Louise, I’m going to start that awful book next week. I noticed the absence of actual page numbers in her notesYell I am just thankful i read Claire’s book first and have the facts.

September 13, 2012
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Neil Kemp said

Hear, hear, Louise. Schama is a brilliant presenter and has a real love of his subject which shines through to his audience. Unlike Starkey he comes across as a real man of the people and is very much undervalued as an historian.

I agree Schama is a good historian, he puts fun into wanting to learn history. I love Dr Dave, but at times he can be pretty brutal in the way he presents things.

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September 13, 2012
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I’m going to have to hunt that series down. I know I have the books somewhere in storage so I will have to wait a while before I can read them. I quite like Starkey’s docos, Craig makes fun of him though. he must agree with you Bo. I enjoy drooling over his library when they take shots in his office. Those books!

September 14, 2012
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Claire said

Like Louise, I’ve done a substantial amount of research into George and Jane, and I completely agree with John’s review of Alison Weir’s book and Julia Fox’s views on Jane. There is nothing to suggest that George and Jane had a bad relationship or that Jane betrayed the Boleyns. It really annoys me that people fight for Anne and the myths that surround her, yet some of those same people are happy to just accept that George and Jane were like their characters from “The Tudors”. As for Thomas, well, that’s another story!

Exactly Claire..The only marriage I can definativly answer on is mine and yet I can only give my side of the story. D’Hoffryn and I are friends with many married couples and still we get differing views on a subject due to which partner we talk too. Sometimes Partner 1 tells me something and D’Hoffryn another thing about the same event and both stories are true , it’s just the telling is changed to cater to a difference audience.

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September 14, 2012
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You’re completely right, Anyanka, and we have absolutely no evidence regarding the stare of George and Jane’s marriage. To say that he probably ill-treated her or raped her makes as much sense as saying that he was probably a vampire, there is as much evidence.

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September 14, 2012
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Claire, you really shouldn’t go around giving Weir ideas for her next book!Wink

September 14, 2012
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Neil Kemp said

Claire, you really shouldn’t go around giving Weir ideas for her next book!Wink

Or worse still SWMNBN..

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September 15, 2012
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There’s plenty of that stuff already

http://www.amazon.com/BOLEYN-T…..1451559496

September 15, 2012
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Olga, there really does seem to be no hope. Do people really buy this stuff? Pass me the gun now (with silver bullets in, of course).Yell

September 15, 2012
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Neil Kemp said

Olga, there really does seem to be no hope. Do people really buy this stuff? Pass me the gun now (with silver bullets in, of course).Yell

It’s only a matter of time before, ‘Anne Boleyn; Alien’.Wink

September 15, 2012
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Neil Kemp said

Claire, you really shouldn’t go around giving Weir ideas for her next book!Wink

Ha!

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September 15, 2012
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Olga said

There’s plenty of that stuff already

http://www.amazon.com/BOLEYN-T…..1451559496

I was sent that book to review but just couldn’t read it. Anne Boleyn got hanged because you can’t have a headless vampire, and I just couldn’t get past that.

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September 15, 2012
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Neil Kemp said

Olga, there really does seem to be no hope. Do people really buy this stuff? Pass me the gun now (with silver bullets in, of course).Yell

Actually they don’t Neil, the remainder shops here are piled high with all the vampired and zombified classics, they’ve done Bronte and Austen. I think they’ve also done Elizabeth and Victoria as Vampire Hunters. But they certainly don’t sell well, it’s all a passing twilight craze.

Really Clare if she was a proper vampire she could have just sewn her head back on Laugh

Louise, that’s Anne Boleyn Ancient Alien! I can see it now, with a foreword by Erich Von Daniken…

September 18, 2012
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Olga said

Actually they don’t Neil, the remainder shops here are piled high with all the vampired and zombified classics, they’ve done Bronte and Austen. I think they’ve also done Elizabeth and Victoria as Vampire Hunters. But they certainly don’t sell well, it’s all a passing twilight craze.

Blow! There goes my idea for a whole series of the six wives as zombies/vampires/werewolves and Henry as the hero slayer!

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September 18, 2012
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LOL Clare, I think where you need to go is either tweak into into Archery or perhaps Henry and his wives liked a bit of BDSM. I have just come back from the shops and in the book section next to the unbelievable amount of 50 Shades books, were all these lame ripoffs with similar covers like 80 Days Yellow about a celloist and a professor who will fix her violin and some spoof version called 50 Shades of Mr Darcy. I can see it now, The Six Shades Of Henry

September 18, 2012
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Claire said

Blow! There goes my idea for a whole series of the six wives as zombies/vampires/werewolves and Henry as the hero slayer!

You could so pitch that for TV.

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