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The Creation of Anne Boleyn by Susan Bordo
March 3, 2013
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I was wondering if anyone had heard of this new book? I think it’s either just been released or about to have been released in the United States ( where Susan herself is based)- it sounds quite interesting! It’s more about debunking the myths that have sprung up about Anne over the years and how she has been portrayed fictionally ( apparently very critical of TOBG :D ) i have looked on the site and there are some great interviews with historian Suzannah Lipsomb among other- even Genevieve Bujold from Anne of the Thousand days fame :) on historical fact and fiction which i found very interesting! I certainly will be buying myself a copy at some point- when it’s released here in the UK :)

March 3, 2013
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Yes, I’ve got it on pre-order at the Book Depository! Laugh

March 4, 2013
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James, the book is avaliable for pre-order on Amazon.co.uk. It will be released in the UK on 9 April. I am not sure if bookshops will carry it.

I’ve also pre-ordered through Amazon.ca. I am very excited about this book!

"By daily proof you shall find me to be to you both loving and kind" Anne Boleyn

March 4, 2013
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Thanks for letting me know Duchess :) it sounds like a really interesting book- i wonder if Susan has any plans for UK promotion- does anyone know? Will certainly be getting this :D

March 4, 2013
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The Book Depository has free international postage though…Wink

March 5, 2013
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Gill said

The Book Depository has free international postage though…Wink

Tell that to JFK…

sowwy..Laugh

It's always bunnies.

March 10, 2013
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Hahaha thanks Gill, i will look into it i promise :) .

I believe Suzannah Lipscomb has done a review of this book as well- and recommended it, which is a big plus. Not sure how to post the review here exactly, but she did post it to her Facebook and Twitter account/page, so if anyone else is not as hopeless as me at these things, perhaps they could kindly post it hereLaugh.

March 21, 2013
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Is that the book where she dedicates a whole chapter to why Philippa Gregory is terrible and Loades, Hicks and Mantel gang up on her? I read a blog about a forthcoming book and I am sure it was it.
If so I will skip it. I’ve got no interest in reading about fiction books in my history book.

March 21, 2013
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Olga, Gareth Russell wrote an excellent review of Susan Bordo’s book that might interest you.

http://garethrussellcidevant.b…..ot.com.au/

March 22, 2013
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The premise of this book is how Anne is perceived by us today. As much of that perception owes itself substantially to fictional accounts it would be impossible to write a book of this nature without referring to the fiction which forms so many opinions.

March 23, 2013
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Yes Louise, in the chapter I read she also called Philippa Gregory fans “sycophants” or something similar. I was flattered. Using an author like Hilary Mantel, or a historian who wrote a book on the Boleyns which was full of mistakes, or a producer who made The Tudors as references on how to do it better than Gregory is just plain hysterical. I know Loades has a bug-bear with her, he managed to bitch about her in his preface in The Boleyns. If only he had directed some of that energy towards actual research.
Thanks for the link Mariette, it’s a good review, but I prefer to save my pennies.

March 23, 2013
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I am going to read this book when it comes out. I agree though that if she attacks Gregory but leaves Mantel and Hirst unscathed then I won’t be happy. Mantel is as inaccurate as Gregory, perhaps more so, and it annoys me that she gets away without the same level of criticism because she’s considered the better writer. I’ll be interested to see what Bordo says.
Enough said about the Loades ‘Boleyn’ book the better. I was also very disappointed in Lacey Baldwin Smith’s recent biography of Anne for the same reasons. He rejects the theories of Ives and Warnicke as little better than fiction, which may be right, but he spends too much time criticising them and too little time on independent and thorough research of his own.

March 23, 2013
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James33 said

I believe Suzannah Lipscomb has done a review of this book as well- and recommended it, which is a big plus. Not sure how to post the review here exactly, but she did post it to her Facebook and Twitter account/page, so if anyone else is not as hopeless as me at these things, perhaps they could kindly post it hereLaugh.

James33, Suzannah mentioned the book here

which links to Susan Bordo’s interview with Lipscomb.

http://thecreationofanneboleyn…..01/25/453/

If Suzannah has written a review of the book I couldn’t find it.

March 24, 2013
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Olga said

I know Loades has a bug-bear with her, he managed to bitch about her in his preface in The Boleyns. If only he had directed some of that energy towards actual research.

Surprised lol

Thanks for the link Mariette, it’s a good review, but I prefer to save my pennies.

I gave Loades’s ‘The Boleyn’s’ a miss but this one looks interesting.

March 24, 2013
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Louise said

I am going to read this book when it comes out. I agree though that if she attacks Gregory but leaves Mantel and Hirst unscathed then I won’t be happy. Mantel is as inaccurate as Gregory, perhaps more so, and it annoys me that she gets away without the same level of criticism because she’s considered the better writer. I’ll be interested to see what Bordo says.

I’m very curious to see what Bordo has to say about Mantel ( I haven’t read Hirst).
If this excerpt is the standard of Bordo’s writing I can’t wait to read it. This is a vivid and moving depiction of Anne’s execution.
http://www.thecreationofannebo…..cerpt.html

I was also very disappointed in Lacey Baldwin Smith’s recent biography of Anne for the same reasons. He rejects the theories of Ives and Warnicke as little better than fiction, which may be right, but he spends too much time criticising them and too little time on independent and thorough research of his own.

Louise, do you feel that the Lacey Baldwin Smith’s book is worth reading or is it just a rehash of the same old inaccurate, unsupported drivel?Confused

April 3, 2013
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Mariette Hirst created The Tudors television show, and I think the Elizabeth movie (with Cate Blanchett) Which should show his commitment to historical accuracy Laugh

April 4, 2013
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Olga said

Mariette Hirst created The Tudors television show, and I think the Elizabeth movie (with Cate Blanchett) Which should show his commitment to historical accuracy Laugh

lol,Olga I see what you mean!Laugh

Louise, just answered my own question after downloading the kindle version of Lacey Baldwin’s Smith’s ‘Anne Boleyn: Queen of Controversy’. I have to agree with your comments.

April 4, 2015
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I read The Creation of Anne Boleyn the other week and really enjoyed it. Although it does give an outline of Anne’s life and the facts we know, as opposed to someone’s speculations and imagination, and shows how negativity can come from placing too much reliance on the factual accuracy of a single source, much of the book is about Anne in popular culture since her death. If you don’t want to read about novels then this is not the book for you. The study of fiction is a perfectly legitimate subject, and indeed in many cases such as Anne’s, fiction has far more to say in how she is perceived than any number of facts. The use writers make of the character of Anne is quite fascinating.

June 7, 2015
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Alexandria said

I read The Creation of Anne Boleyn the other week and really enjoyed it. Although it does give an outline of Anne’s life and the facts we know, as opposed to someone’s speculations and imagination, and shows how negativity can come from placing too much reliance on the factual accuracy of a single source, much of the book is about Anne in popular culture since her death. If you don’t want to read about novels then this is not the book for you. The study of fiction is a perfectly legitimate subject, and indeed in many cases such as Anne’s, fiction has far more to say in how she is perceived than any number of facts. The use writers make of the character of Anne is quite fascinating.

^^^Agreed.

I also really loved Susan Bordo’s book, and in fact, her book is how I clued in to the existence of this forum. 🙂 I’m pretty sure that Claire put the link up about the book on the Facebook page, and it looked good, so I got it for my Kindle. Then, Bordo mentions this board in her book…so here I am. lol

From what I understand, the main complaints are that Bordo doesn’t have a history background, per se, and she’s really not an expert on Anne, so therefore she shouldn’t be writing about her, or disparaging people who have spent their lives studying Anne, and I understand that. But Bordo makes a pointed effort to say that she is not attempting to retell the events of Anne’s life, she is merely examining how the myth of Anne Boleyn has been created over the last 500 years. She says a lot of things in that book that I’ve thought before, but couldn’t quite find the words to express. Mostly she deals with the agendas of various historians and biographers, and the possible reasons why some people thinks Anne is evil (the early Catholic writers, for example) or some say she’s a saint (Protestants and early feminists). And she marvels that, in a world where we’re constantly bombarded by Kardashians and Real Housewives, so many women today are drawn to Anne’s story, and actually have some semblance of understanding her.

As for Mantel, yes, she is pretty easy on her, especially compared to SWMNBN, but she still calls her out for her portrayal of Anne. Really, I’d say she’s hardest on Henry, which doesn’t bother me in the least.

June 7, 2015
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I also liked Bordo’s book, but I found this review:
https://anneboleynnovels.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/a-break-for-nonfiction-the-creation-of-anne-boleyn-by-susan-bordo-2013/

I guess that if one is an expert on the subject, then it is easy to find faults. One of them hits the target: Bordo is sure that she knows “real Anne” although her image is much is only her ideal woman.

On the other hand, Starkey said also that, unlike Mantel, he knew what happened, although he, nor anyne, cannot. And describing Anner’s reaction to Henry’s letters he uses much imagination.

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