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Sir Charles Brandon
December 23, 2010
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David
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Other than being married to Princess Mary Tudor, just how many wives did Charles have during his lifetime and was one of them truly a french woman he met in France as indicated in, “The Tudor” series????

December 23, 2010
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I've been having trouble putting up links here recently, so I'll copy the info at the following link in case it doesn't come through. But the short answer is the mistress in France was an invention of The Tudors to give Brandon some nookie after the actress playing his wife left the show. So they invented 'marital difficulties' and a French mistress, because Henry Cavill's hot and you don't waste that tush (IMO). Kiss

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C….._and_issue

 

Charles Brandon, 1st Duke of Suffolk/Wives and issue

 

First marriage
 

Before February 1506 he married Margaret Mortimer (née Neville), daughter of John Neville, 1st Marquess of Montagu and Isabel Ingaldesthorpe. The marriage was annulled in 1507. No issue.

Second marriage

About 1508 he married Anne Browne (d. 1511) daughter of Sir Anthony Browne, Standard Bearer of England 1485 and Eleanor Oughtred.

Issue
  1. Anne Brandon (1507 – 1557) – she married firstly Edward Grey, 4th Baron Grey of Powis, and, after the dissolution of this union, Randal Harworth
  2. Mary Brandon (1510 – c. 1542) – she married Thomas Stanley, 2nd Baron Monteagle

Contract

He contracted to marry Elizabeth Grey, 5th Baroness Lisle (1505 – 1519). He was thus created 1st Viscount Lisle of the third creation in 1513, but the contract was annulled and he surrendered this title before 1519 or in 1523. No issue.

Third marriage

In May 1515 he married Mary Tudor, Queen Dowager of France (18 March 1496 – 25 June 1533).

Issue
  1. Lord Henry Brandon (11 March 1516 – 1522)
  2. Lady Frances Brandon (16 July 1517 – 20 November 1559) – she married Henry Grey, Marquess of Dorset and was the mother of Lady Jane Grey
  3. Lady Eleanor Brandon (1519 – 27 September 1547) – she married Henry Clifford, 2nd Earl of Cumberland
  4. Henry Brandon, 1st Earl of Lincoln (c. 1523 – 1 March 1534)

Fourth marriage

On 7 September 1533 he married Catherine Willoughby, 12th Baroness Willoughby de Eresby (1 April 1520 – 19 September 1580); after widowing, she remarried Richard Bertie.

Issue
  1. Henry Brandon, 2nd Duke of Suffolk (18 September 1535 – 14 July 1551); sweating sickness
  2. Charles Brandon, 3rd Duke of Suffolk (1537/1538 – 14 July 1551); sweating sickness

Illegitimate children

  1. Sir Charles Brandon, married Elizabeth, widow of Sir James Strangways
  2. Frances Brandon, married firstly William Sandon, then Andrew Bilsby
  3. Mary Brandon, married Robert Ball of Scottow, Norfolk

ETA: Interesting that he had a legitimate and illegitimate son named Charles, and a legitimate and illegitimate daughter named Mary (neither of whom was the daughter of Mary Tudor Brandon!).

ETA2: I can't see the link; can anyone else?

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December 23, 2010
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Regarding the marital conract with Elizabeth Grey, Charles Brandon's page in The Peerage says:

“On 3 Dec. [1512], he received a grant of the wardship of Elizabeth, daughter and sole heiress of John Grey, viscount Lisle, of which he very soon took advantage in a rather questionable way, by making a contract of marriage with her; and next year, on 15 May, he was created Viscount Lisle, with succession to the heirs male of himself and Elizabeth Grey, viscountess Lisle, his wife, as she is called in the patent. But in point of fact she was not his wife, for when she came of age she refused to marry him, and the patent was cancelled.”

Note she lived from 1505-1519, so was only 14 or 15 when she died, yet had come of age and refused to marry him. Got to give her credit for the courage to successfully protest what he'd planned.

 

ETA the link I couldn't make work in the post above. Just take out the spaces and you're good to go.

 

http:// en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Charles_Brandon,_1st_Duke_of_Suffolk#Wives_and_issue

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Anyone know of a good book on him?I think he’s fascinating.

April 4, 2015
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Impish_Impulse said

I’ve been having trouble putting up links here recently, so I’ll copy the info at the following link in case it doesn’t come through. But the short answer is the mistress in France was an invention of The Tudors to give Brandon some nookie after the actress playing his wife left the show. So they invented ‘marital difficulties’ and a French mistress, because Henry Cavill’s hot and you don’t waste that tush (IMO). Kiss

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C….._and_issue

 

Charles Brandon, 1st Duke of Suffolk/Wives and issue

H had apparently first married Anne Browne secretly in 1505 and then repudiated the marriage when the opportunity to marry Margaret Neville arose, but then he got rid of Margaret on the grounds of his precontract to Anne Browne and married her publicly again. Their first daughter was born after the secret marriage and the second after the public marriage. He was quite a lad!

 

First marriage
 

Before February 1506 he married Margaret Mortimer (née Neville), daughter of John Neville, 1st Marquess of Montagu and Isabel Ingaldesthorpe. The marriage was annulled in 1507. No issue.

Second marriage

About 1508 he married Anne Browne (d. 1511) daughter of Sir Anthony Browne, Standard Bearer of England 1485 and Eleanor Oughtred.

Issue
  1. Anne Brandon (1507 – 1557) – she married firstly Edward Grey, 4th Baron Grey of Powis, and, after the dissolution of this union, Randal Harworth
  2. Mary Brandon (1510 – c. 1542) – she married Thomas Stanley, 2nd Baron Monteagle

Contract

He contracted to marry Elizabeth Grey, 5th Baroness Lisle (1505 – 1519). He was thus created 1st Viscount Lisle of the third creation in 1513, but the contract was annulled and he surrendered this title before 1519 or in 1523. No issue.

Third marriage

In May 1515 he married Mary Tudor, Queen Dowager of France (18 March 1496 – 25 June 1533).

Issue
  1. Lord Henry Brandon (11 March 1516 – 1522)
  2. Lady Frances Brandon (16 July 1517 – 20 November 1559) – she married Henry Grey, Marquess of Dorset and was the mother of Lady Jane Grey
  3. Lady Eleanor Brandon (1519 – 27 September 1547) – she married Henry Clifford, 2nd Earl of Cumberland
  4. Henry Brandon, 1st Earl of Lincoln (c. 1523 – 1 March 1534)

Fourth marriage

On 7 September 1533 he married Catherine Willoughby, 12th Baroness Willoughby de Eresby (1 April 1520 – 19 September 1580); after widowing, she remarried Richard Bertie.

Issue
  1. Henry Brandon, 2nd Duke of Suffolk (18 September 1535 – 14 July 1551); sweating sickness
  2. Charles Brandon, 3rd Duke of Suffolk (1537/1538 – 14 July 1551); sweating sickness

Illegitimate children

  1. Sir Charles Brandon, married Elizabeth, widow of Sir James Strangways
  2. Frances Brandon, married firstly William Sandon, then Andrew Bilsby
  3. Mary Brandon, married Robert Ball of Scottow, Norfolk

ETA: Interesting that he had a legitimate and illegitimate son named Charles, and a legitimate and illegitimate daughter named Mary (neither of whom was the daughter of Mary Tudor Brandon!).

ETA2: I can’t see the link; can anyone else?

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