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Looking for a (probably fictious) quote from Anne
August 2, 2014
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I have been interested in Henry VIII and his wives since I was quite young. I can remember reading a book (I know it is not Alison Weir’s because I just re-read that for the millionth time while on vacation recently!) in which Anne, while pregnant and having a fight with Henry, says something about how she will jump out the window and “You can scrape your cursed Prince of Wales off the paving stones!” That line has stuck with me ever since, though apparently I no longer own the book in which it was written or else had borrowed the book from the library. I don’t think, either, that it was in the “Six Wives of Henry the Eighth” Masterpiece Theatre series, which was probably where I got my start–I distinctly remember it written down. I have done Google searches, etc., but to no avail. Does anyone else remember this line?

August 4, 2014
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It’s not a quote I recognise. Since it sounds really out of character for Anne , it’s one I’d probably remember if I had come across it.

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August 4, 2014
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I have to agree with Anyanka. I think this quote is one out the deranged mind of a writer. In fact thinking about it, it sounds like SWMNBN would dream up.
I know that there was a rumour that Barbara Castlemaine (Charles 2nd mistress) had dangled one of her children by the King out of the window and threatened to drop him if Charles didn’t recognise him and give him a nobel title. But this is a whole new bag of spanners, and I’m wondering if it possible that when this “quote” was made in the book you read it was loosely based on this on this rumour.

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August 6, 2014
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That’s a new one on me. I have never heard it before. And as Anyanka says it would be out of character for Anne to have said that. Boy, that’s ugly.

August 6, 2014
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I habe not heard of that one either. How long ago did you read it Farfalla? I am wondering if it might be Erickson or Lofts. They’re the only two much older ones I can think of off the top of my head, I don’t remember anything like that in Fraser.

March 20, 2016
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This is said by Anne in Evelyn Anthony’s “Anne Boleyn”, a wonderful piece of fiction! This scene takes place when Anne is heavily pregnant with Elizabeth (everyone thinks it will be a boy) and Henry’s pursuing Anne’s cousin Margaret Shelton, and I just loved this phrase by Anne! The book is really good, I read it last Christmas, and despite its inaccuracies (it was written in the 50s!) it’s the best novel about Anne of the 6 I read (Dunn’s “Queen of Subtleties”, Mantel’s 2 books, some excerpts of TOBG, Barnes’ “The King’s fool”, which is not Anne-centered but she has an important role, and this novel by Anthony). I know this post is too old but I recognized the quote and… i couldn’t resist!

March 21, 2016
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I wasn’t over keen of Dunn’s “Queen of Subtleies” book, I found it quite disjointed. As for Hilariously Mental’s boks. I confess I haven’t read “Throw (Bring) up the bollocks, nor do I want to either. I read about half a chapter of Wolf Hall and deleted it.
SWMNBN books are best not mentioning really, some are passable but only just….

The quote is certainly very like something Anne would say in a fit of temper, but I don’t think she would have actually said it in real life. The birth of a prince to her would have been just as important to her as it would to Fat arse.
Thinking about this quote however brings to mind, the Duke of Monmouth C2 first bastard child or rather first accepted bastard child by Lucy Waters. strictly speaking, this child could have been considered the Prince of Wales. Monmouth certainly thought so as his foolhardy attempt to take the throne from J2 proves. It could entirely conceivable that this quote was made by Lucy Waters, who was from what little I know of her a bit of a drunken lush and she may have said it. Which in turn when the author was doing some research came across this quote and used it in his/her book.

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March 21, 2016
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LordBullen said

This is said by Anne in Evelyn Anthony’s “Anne Boleyn”, a wonderful piece of fiction! This scene takes place when Anne is heavily pregnant with Elizabeth (everyone thinks it will be a boy) and Henry’s pursuing Anne’s cousin Margaret Shelton, and I just loved this phrase by Anne! The book is really good, I read it last Christmas, and despite its inaccuracies (it was written in the 50s!) it’s the best novel about Anne of the 6 I read (Dunn’s “Queen of Subtleties”, Mantel’s 2 books, some excerpts of TOBG, Barnes’ “The King’s fool”, which is not Anne-centered but she has an important role, and this novel by Anthony). I know this post is too old but I recognized the quote and… i couldn’t resist!

Thanks LordBullen. Another book for the wishlist.

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March 23, 2016
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Anyanka said

Thanks LordBullen. Another book for the wishlist.

You’re welcome, Anyanka! I do really think Anthony’s novel is a good book, despite the inaccuracies, it brings Anne to life!!!

March 23, 2016
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Boleyn said

I wasn’t over keen of Dunn’s “Queen of Subtleies” book, I found it quite disjointed. As for Hilariously Mental’s boks. I confess I haven’t read “Throw (Bring) up the bollocks, nor do I want to either. I read about half a chapter of Wolf Hall and deleted it.
SWMNBN books are best not mentioning really, some are passable but only just….

I liked “QoS” when I read it, I was 17 and it was my 1st Anne Boleyn novel… It was entertaining, but Lucy Cornwallis’ chapters were more boring than those of Anne (specially because Anne is at the Tower, remembering everything and is extremely bitter). Mantel’ 2nd book is more easy to read than Wolf Hall, but the characterization is awful. Anne, George & Jane Boleyn doesn’t deserve this, at all! Having read Fraser, Loades and TheAnneBoleynFIles’ articles, I felt I was reading a propagandistic pamphlet (a very well written one, but with half-truths, like the moment Anne threatens Cromwell for allying with the Seymours and doesn’t mention the issue of the different POV of Anne and “He, Cremuel” over the monasteries’ money; or the fact that you have every nasty rumour about Anne thrown into the book, but Mantel omits her strongest moments, aka the trial and execution speeches). I know it’s fiction, but when she’s paraded as the Holy Mother of Historical Accuracy… I felt it’s propaganda.

As for PG, she has an eye for detail, and she could be better than she is if she treated her characters better. I mean, she always talks about incest, sisterly rivalry, she makes important and intelligent Queens like Elizabeth to be just airheads who only care about sex… On the other side, I really liked “The Boleyn Inheritance”, and i like the fact that her Elizabeth Woodville is more than the cold-hearted, greedy one-dimensional witch of some Ricardian novels like those of Sandra Worth.

March 23, 2016
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I don’t think any of us will forget the SWMNBN radio interview (I think it is still on here somewhere too) In which she slated Anne like you wouldn’t believe and then turn around and said but I like her I really do, Grrrrrr not to mention her almost,certainly, maybe guilty bit.. There were teeth marks in the furniture and in Dinosaur that night I can tell you.
I will confess I did enjoy the Red/White Queen novels, but the Kingmakers daughter seemed to me at least, to be a conglomaration of what she had edited out of the Red/White Queen novels and I liked the Lady of the Rivers as well. The Virgin’s lover, and The Other Queen were just awful. The White Princess was certainly different, but I neither liked or disliked it. To sum it up in one word, Meh. The taming of the Queen seemed to be a cross between a mills and boon novel and Linda Lovelace sex scene.

The use of the word “Cremuel” in the TV series Wolf Hall just got right up my bugle, to be honest, although I did enjoy the very comical Duke of Norfolk portrayal, and as strange as it seems I do feel that the real life Norfolk apart from being a slimy jumped up poppingjay, would have been perhaps just as crude as he was portrayed in Wolf Hall.

I felt that Dunn’s QoS novel lacked something I can’t quite put my finger on, but you are right about Lucy’s bits being boring, she didn’t seem to do much, and what little she did do weren’t interesting. The Queen’s sorrow was a little better but again it seemed to fall flat where the storylines were concerned.
I must confess that I am extremely partial to any Jean Plaidy novel, and Cynthia Harrod Eagles, Morland family books. One of my fave books is Phillipa Wiat’s “Five Gold rings” about the Grey sisters in particular Catherine Grey..

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