January 26, 2014
May 3, 2013
Here’s a list of the novel’s inaccuracies.
January 3, 2012
i geek the tudors said
I have read a book the Boleyn inheritance did Jane have a son as the book said ?
Hello there firstly let me welcome you to our happy family, great to have you with us. We are all a mixed bunch of Scallywags, who enjoy a good debate and having a giggle or 2 along the way.
Now then what you have to understand with SWMNBN is that in my opinion she is no historian, she has all the creds I agree to call herself that, but she is not a realible source of historical information or fact. That’s purely my opinion mind you.
SWMNBN tends to write what she feels to be the truth, often leading to some very hysterical historical conclusions, hence the reason to why these sort of questions pop up from time to time. If when you read her books you take them with a pinch of salt they work out better, although please avoid her dreadful book The Virgin’s Lover, one or 2 of the members including myself have used that book for something other than reading, leading to much tutting raised eyebrows, and many a slapped hand from Olga, for treating books in such a disrespectful manner lol.
However it is good that by reading her books and then asking these questions, we get to have another person come to our home and wanting to discover the truth of what they have read.
So in a way SWMNBN does us a favour, because we have something new to discuss and you get to meet and learn from some very intelligent and well read people from all over the world (that doesn’t include me however I’m as thick as an MFI wardrobe), and we value each and every post.
I hope Steve’s post has helped you to understand J.B a little better, we know so little about her her likes and dislikes etc, and yet I feel that she was used and abused somewhat, by H8 and Cromwell, and betrayed by K.H and Culpepper, who perhaps hoped by blaming her for the whole sorry affair between them they would forgiven and let off scott free. Small wonder she lost her wits really.
One of our members is in the process of writing a book about George Boleyn at the moment, a book which I look forward to reading very much. Again George is another of Tudor histories enigmas, we know so little about him, other than the fact that he was highly educated and had a dazzling carreer ahead of him, until H8 shortened him by a head. I believe Jane was an affiable and very capable woman, not as educated as either Kathy of Aragon or Anne, but knew enough to get by when needed. She perhaps wore her heart on her sleeve too much which led to her being used and abused by people around her, as I have mentioned. I don’t believe she was anything like she has been portrayed in film/television or some books, as a jealous harpy, who would make up stories to get rid of people she didn’t like.
In reality I’m pretty sure that this type of behaviour in a court situation wouldn’t be tolerated for too long, before you found yourself out on your ear, and without a position at court anyway.
There was a lot of bitching and backbitting that went on only normal and the men could be just as bad, but for the most part everyone got on with everyone else or at least tolerated each other. If you wanted to be a somebody you basically had to be at court. From time to time we get the odd question come up asking if Jane did give evidence again Anne and George about the incest claim the answer to that is NO, nothing exists anywhere to suggest that. Cromwell like H8 could turn any mole hill into a mountain or active volcano whenever they felt like it. If she had done anything like that I doubt she would have continued to serve at court under 3 more Queens. H8 would have found a way to silence her so she couldn’t have at a later date retracted her evidence, if that makes sence.
It wasn’t uncommon for someone to say something along the lines of “here guess what? I saw Santa Claus kissing my mum” and then meeting with an accident so that when it was brought up in a court all they would have is the statement with no way of being able to question the person who said it, as he/she had died suddenly shortly after they had said it.
Anne and George I’m afraid were dead the minute Cromwell and H got their cook book and pot out and stewed up their whole case against them. They didn’t care if the facts they were putting forward were true or not they just wanted to get the stew made and thrown to the wolves to eat.
In some ways it is good that she didn’t have a child, as the poor kid would have grown up with everyone knowing his/her father was executed as a traitor and I’m pretty sure a stigma like that would take him/her a whole life time to live down, if they could live it down.
Only have to look at the Dudley family for that one. Poor Robert lived under that stigma all his life, (Grandfather/Father and one brother all executed as Traitors) and it was only Elizabeth’s protection that saved him from getting lynched by Duke Poppingjay (Norfolk) on many occations.
Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod
November 18, 2010
I honestly don’t think Jane had a living child by George.
Had they had a son, when George wrote to Cromwell asking for his debts to be paid, there was no mention of a child.Presumably, George would have wanted his children to be protected form his”crime” and given a chance to inherit some of George’s possessions.
He would have been mentioned in Thomas Boleyn’s will dated as his legitimate heir before Mary. Several of the Ormonde treasures were sent to the Butlers as the Ormonde heirs.
There was no mention of some-one buying his wardship from Henry .
When Jane was asking for Cromwell’s help in 1536, there was no mention of a childwhich should have bolstered her claim for more money.
When Thomas was paying out Jane’s jointure following George’s death there was no mention of Jane needing to support a child.
Following the Act of Attainer against Jane, there was no correspondance about a soon to be orphaned child agian needing protection from the king as a noble-born child.
While it’s possible that George and Jane had had a child, it’s more likely it died in early childhood.
It's always bunnies.
March 26, 2015
Had Jane had a son he would have been heir to the title Viscount Rochford on his father’s death, and the title Earl of Wiltshire on the death of George and Anne’s father, but in fact both titles fell into abeyance, so if there was a son he was dead before his father. His father’s title might have been witheld by H8 as part of George’s punishment, but Wiltshire’s could not have been. There is also no mention of a son during Jane Rochford’s own execution process, when whether she was mad and whether a mad woman could lawfully be executed was discussed.
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