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I've heard it all now...Queen Elizabeth I was an imposter in drag???
June 21, 2013
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There’s another in the Mail‘s never-ending War on Women series today, which rather glosses over Thomas Seymour’s contemptible behaviour in favour of declaring Elizabeth a closet nymphomaniac:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/hom…..ELOCK.html

But what caught my eye – regarding the Bisley Boy story – was the line about Elizabeth becoming pregnant & being sent away:

“Elizabeth was swiftly sent away to stay with Kat’s sister, where rumours began to circulate that she was pregnant with Seymour’s child.”

Does anybody have any further details of this rumour (not that I believe it)? I ask because I was reminded of Elizabeth’s desire to avoid an autopsy – surely such a procedure would provide tell-tale signs of childbirth?

June 21, 2013
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Another made up fantasy, by a boffin (A know it all who knows it all and knows F…. All Usually Male No disrespect to yourself or other men on the forum intended) It’s the same old crap everytime. The Boffins just cannot and will not exxcept that a woman kicked the arses of all the big european rulers, and put them in their place. It’s possible the Autopy no event happened because of the rumours of what happened to her Father body and maybe of COA’s body too. If memory serves it runs like this. When COA’s body was cut open her heart was found to have been very black, with a hard black core at it’s centre. Well maybe there was and Maybe there wasn’t, but Anne. B was blamed for it. I think that Mary when she became Queen openly said that her mother with killed by the witch Boleyn.
Her Father however was alledgely cursed on the way to Westminter to watch Anne be crowned. It was said that he would be as ahab and his blood would be drunk by dogs. A few night before Henry was due to be buried his coffin burst open spilling blood and bodily fluids all over the floor in the chapel and dogs did drink all that was on the floor. Now again this may or may not of been true.
Of course it may have been in Elizabeth’s case nothing more than vanity, she was seen as a perfect woman, chop her up after death and find out hat things were not as they seemed and her image would be damaged, she went to her death knowing that history would always view her as Gloriana.
By the way DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANDSIES READ THE VIRGIN’S LOVER BY S.W.M.N.B.N. it’s only use is in Janet’s case target practise, and I used my copy to line the chipmunks cage.

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June 21, 2013
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Boleyn said it’s only use is in Janet’s case target practise, and I used my copy to line the chipmunks cage.

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June 21, 2013
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Oh now you have convinced me to start reading the book. I purchsed it last year after finishing The Queen’s Fool. Sounds like it might provide me some giggles during my vacation.

Oh and SteveJ, if you want a bit more information on this conspiracy, rent the movie Anonymous – while it is about Shakespeare is does touch about the nymphomaniac aspect and the pregnancy conspiracy. decent movie, but just be prepared for a WTF ending

June 21, 2013
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Thanks for the tip, Bill. :)

June 21, 2013
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SteveJ The chipmunks were well pleased with it too. they soon shreded into beddding and what they didn shred they crapped and pissed on. I thought they had got it quite right, as a book that was a pile of crap ended up covered in crap.

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June 22, 2013
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Laugh

The Amazon reviews aren’t exactly impressive either: one reviewer claimed that PG had turned Elizabeth into “Barbie”.

June 22, 2013
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Ha Ha like it. Very apt description too. I found the book extremely frustrating from the point of view that S.W.M.N.B.N. made out that Elizabeth was a snivverling coward afraid of her own shadow, and the fact the only thing she was good at was having sex and that she had a lot of that. S.W.M.N.B.N seriously at times I just want to strangle her… I’ve finally got around to watching the last days of Anne Boleyn. The first time she opened her mouth I muted it, and only un muted when she finished speaking and wiped her mouth.. I’ll let you figure that one out.
I haven’t got over her radio interview yet.. that was another one of those seriously wanted to strangle her moments. The woman claims to be a historian she may even have all the credentals to call herself that, but personally I think Sharon, Anyanka and a few others could seriously wipe the floor with her. S.W.M.N.B.N makes the local villiage idiot look like mastermind seriously. Time to get off my soapbox it’s making me sneeze.

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June 22, 2013
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SteveJ said

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The Amazon reviews aren’t exactly impressive either: one reviewer claimed that PG had turned Elizabeth into “Barbie”.

I nearly pee’d myself when I first read that on Amazon…

It's always bunnies.

June 22, 2013
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Anyanka said

SteveJ said

Laugh

The Amazon reviews aren’t exactly impressive either: one reviewer claimed that PG had turned Elizabeth into “Barbie”.

I nearly pee’d myself when I first read that on Amazon…

I made a point of reading what was said about it when steve mentioned it. My ribs still hurt.

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June 22, 2013
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The Reverend Thomas Keble appears to be not only the source for the Bisley Boy legend, but also the Bisley May Day ‘Tudor Queen’ story*. He was also responsible for the curious custom of well-dressing in Bisley:

http://alchemyandaccident.word…..isley-boy/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W…..l_dressing

*In other words, the whole story is likely to be a fantasy created by the (apparently) very serious & sober Reverend Keble. Because of similar-ish “changeling” stories which were written in the 19th-century, I’d be very interested to know exactly which year Keble began to tell his story.

June 22, 2013
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Incidentally…

There’s a load of money to be made by writing a terrible novel about this theory – it’d be like The Da Vinci Code, yet only more rubbish:

Blurb:
Henry Irving and Bram Stoker take on the Vampire Queen after our two heroes discover clues in the decorations Reverend Keble had made in All Saints Church, clues which celebrate the history of an evil bloodline dating back to pagan times. Stoker and Irving hide in a well as Keble and Elizabeth try to smother them with flowers…*voiceover* “Will our heroes survive?” No, because they died in the early 1900s.

I’d write it if I wasn’t tragically lazy.

June 22, 2013
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Some very interesting stuff linked below. The writer claims that…

“In 1995-ish a similarly-described female body was discovered at Overcourt behind a fireplace during building works”

I don’t really know what to make of the writer’s theories (nor the accuracy of his research) but the line quoted above was enough to make me read on.

More:
http://ireland-britain-tours.c…..-murdered/
http://ireland-britain-tours.c…..ed-age-10/

June 27, 2013
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The full text of Bram Stoker’s Famous Imposters can be read here, free:

http://www.archive.org/stream/…..h_djvu.txt

July 8, 2013
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I stumbled across The King’s Deception in the bookstore today, so I grabbed myself a copy as I am in need of a new fiction book to read. And as I said previously I enjoyed Steve Berry’s other books I’ve read – The Amber Room and The Romanov Prophecy. Hoever, I did try to read one of his Cottom Malone novels but gave up. I think because I am just not that interested in Templar Knights. So I am interested to see how this goes, especially since he is covering an interest of mine -The Tudor Era.

Anyways, enough rambling. I jumped to the back of his book and there is an extensive Author’s Notes at the back. Here he points out the factual parts of the book and also the parts he made up. He also presents parts of the story that are linked to actual myths and legends and why they [i]could[/1] be plausible. He also addresses possible arguments people use to show that Elizabeth I may not have been the biological child of Henry (the Bisley Boy not Anne was a harlot). He also addresses the ramification of [i]if[/1] the Bisley Boy story was true. It is made very clear by the author that his book is a work of fiction, but he explains very well the inspirtation behind the story. So hopefully anyone reading this book, won’t think it’s anymore historical truth than The Da Vinci Code or Seven Ancient Wonders

The one thing I do have to question about all his statements is that Henry VIII acknowledged only 5 children during his lifetime. I’ve got Henry FitzRoy, Mary I, Elizabeth I and Edward VI. Who the hell is the mystery 5th one?

July 8, 2013
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Wikipedia states that Henry FitzRoy was ‘the only illegitimate son Henry VIII recognised’. I think Bessie Blount is rumoured to have had a daughter by Henry; similarly, Mary Boleyn’s Catherine & Henry were alleged to be the King’s children; otherwise, I’m lost, Bill.

July 8, 2013
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This a new one on me as well. But it is very possible that Henry fathered more children than we actually know about.
There is a rumour that Anne.B did give birth to a living son, but he died only a matter of hours after is birth, so it could be that is the 5th child mentioned. If true it was certainly kept quiet.
There is also another rumour that he did consummate his marriage with A.O.C and that a child was born from that union. I don’t know if that is true or not, but personally I think it’s unlikely, by this time I think Henry was pretty much stagnant and firing blanks.

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July 8, 2013
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Perhaps he will explain the 5th kid in the novel. Should actually read it LOL. The way it is written in the author’s note it implies that the kid lived for quite a while and was running around court. But he does imply that the kid died before they were like 18 – this reasoning is used to suggest that Elizabeth must have been an imposter because she lived to a ripe old age instead of dying young like Henry and Edward. Mary’s age is waved away instead of thinking perhaps his daughters could live to a ripe rage while the son’s were doomed for a young life.

July 8, 2013
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Bill, I think the fifth child must be his son, Henry, with Catherine of Aragon who lived for a short while before dying.

July 8, 2013
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I’d forgotten about that one Louise and yeah you are probably right, even through the kid only lived just little over a month.

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