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G.W Bernard's new book on Anne Boleyn.
February 8, 2010
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Hannah
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I'm not sure whether I'll agree with Bernard's views on Anne Boleyn's guilt, but I'm still very much looking forward to reading this when it is published here.

What does everyone else think?

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Be daly prove you shalle me fynde,nTo be to you bothe lovyng and kynde,

February 8, 2010
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I can't wait either even though I'm completely setting myself up to disagree with his findings!  Though at least the fact that it doesn't come up out for another couple of months is probably a good thing as it gives me time to save up for it!  But I'm hoping that it will be a well researched and scholarly account no matter what the conclusions.

The re-issue of Paul Friedmanns historic work on Anne comes out soon too…

Gah, so many books, so little time (and money!)

February 10, 2010
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Friedmann is not very sympathetic to Anne either is he so it will be interesting to read it. Have you read G W Bernard's report on Anne's fall – see http://ehr.oxfordjournals.org/…..CCCCXX/584

He concludes by saying:-

“What we have then is the likelihood that Anne and at least some of her friends were guilty of the charges brought against them. But why should Anne have done it?

One explanation might be, as Sir John Neale suggested long ago, that aware of Henry's at least intermittent impotence, Anne was trying to beget a child by other men, in order to produce Henry's much wanted heir. Another might be that she was indeed a
loose-living lady. Yet another, and perhaps the most plausible, might be her jealousy of Henry VIII's continuing affairs, a defiant resentment of the double standard which allowed that freedom to men but not to women. The French poem records her saying of the King: 'Et que souvent je n'aye prins fantasie/ Encontre luy de quelque jalousye.'

To the charge that the general interpretation advanced here is just the surmise of a man lacking in understanding of female psychology, just a 'wicked women' view of history which sees nymphomaniacs everywhere, it could be countered that Anne's behaviour has been presented as defiant rather than passive, and Jane Seymour's very differently interpreted. Above ail, it has been an analysis of the evidence, not any prejudice, which has raised the possibility that Anne was unfaithful to her husband. That information came into the 'public domain' by chance, by the accident of a quarrel between one of the Queen's ladies and her brother. In explaining
what happened next, there is no need to portray Henry as a monster, no need to invent deformed foetuses, no need to elaborate 'factional' explanations: Anne's fall was surely inevitable once what she had been doing became known, once a prima facie case against her was accepted by the King.

The fall of Anne Boleyn is not just a salacious whodunnit: it has implications for our understanding of early Tudor politics. Perhaps Henry's reactions were harsh by our standards, but they were not irrational. Nor should we assume in advance of a critical scrutiny of the evidence that people who did unusual things must have been manipulated. The explanation offered here thus casts further doubt on the validity of the influential notion of faction as an explanation of political crisis in early Tudor England and raises the possibility that, on this and other occasions, Henry VIII was more in control and less the victim of factional manipulation than some recent accounts would claim.”

Hmmm…Looks like the book will be an interesting read.

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February 11, 2010
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Hmm, that article looks like it could have me huffing if I read the whole thing. I totally disagree with him saying that the 'most plausible' reason for Anne's guilt was jealousy. She was far too intelligent to do something so petty. Sulking and revenge was Henry's forte, not Anne's.

February 11, 2010
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Hee hee, that's so true, Beth!

Based on that snippet of the report alone, it certainly looks as though the books gonna be a challenge!

February 12, 2010
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The Article is an old one, I think it dates back to 1991, but I'm guessing from the blurb on Amazon about the book that Bernard hasn't changed his mind! Ill definitely get it just to contrast his views with Ives and others but I think it will be one that I cover with post-its saying “WHAT??!!”.

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February 12, 2010
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I'll be interested to see how he gets round the fact that, as queen, she was always attended by someone. In fact, the only times she wouldn't have been are the times when Henry 'visited' her.

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February 12, 2010
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Anne fan said:

I'll be interested to see how he gets round the fact that, as queen, she was always attended by someone. In fact, the only times she wouldn't have been are the times when Henry 'visited' her.

Louise


Exactly. When Katherine Howard was executed, Jane Boleyn (her lady in waiting), was executed alongside her. No Queen could have committed adultery without the help of atleast one of her ladies, and it is intersting how none of Anne's ladies were ever tried alongside her. As far as I am aware, they were not even under suspicion.

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April 20, 2010
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This has just been released on Amazon UK so I HAD to snag a copy even though I won't get for a couple of weeks (went with the cheapest shipping rates!) so I was wondering if anyone in the UK or the States has come across it yet? 

April 22, 2010
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I'm just over halfway through it. I'm planning on finishing it over the weekend and then I'll let you know my thoughts next week.

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April 23, 2010
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I'd definitely like to hear thoughts on this book.  I'd like to read it just because, but I don't know if I could stand it!

April 24, 2010
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I doubt if I'd be able to get through this book without throwing it out the window.  However, I'll be waitng for the review, Claire.

May 27, 2010
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I read in one of the final chapters (I haven't finished the whole book yet, I just skipped to the end first!) and Bernard quotes some posts from an Anne Boleyn fan site. Would that be anyone from here? I'm sorry, I can't quote directly from it as I am at work at the moment, but I thought I'd put out a general query first.

I'm approximately half way through the book and so far I've read little to gnash teeth over, but I suspect it's going to get worse the further along I get Yell

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May 31, 2010
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I finished this recently…. and it was nowhere near as bad as I was expecting.  That said I don't agree with the conclusions drawn, but there are parts that give you pause for thought and anything that gets you thinking deeper on a subject is surely no bad thing.

June 1, 2010
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I did a review on it, see /anne-boleyn-fatal-attractions-by-g-w-bernard/5216/ – it was an interesting read, and didn't make my blood boil, but it didn't make me change my mind about Anne. I disagree completely with Bernard's views on Anne's faith and also his views on George, but he is very good at backing up his opinions and it is quite a lesson in how we can look at the same sources and read them differently. Anyway, I do think it's worth reading as it makes you think.

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August 22, 2010
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Claire said:I did a review on it, see http://www.theanneboleynfiles&…..nard/5216/ – it was an interesting read, and didn't make my blood boil, but it didn't make me change my mind about Anne. I disagree completely with Bernard's views on Anne's faith and also his views on George, but he is very good at backing up his opinions and it is quite a lesson in how we can look at the same sources and read them differently. Anyway, I do think it's worth reading as it makes you think.


I haven't read the book and don't know whether I should really spend money on it. Thanks for the review.

“Here, Bernard writes of how “there simply is not sufficient evidence to conclude beyond reasonable doubt that Anne, her brother, Norris, Weston, Brereton and Smeaton were guilty” but that this “does not mean that they were all innocent.” Bernard considers Anne’s flirtatious behaviour, her widespread reputation as a “wh*re”, the climate of “dancing and pastime” in her household, her defiance at Henry’s infidelities and her “foolish and reckless behaviour”. He concludes that everything can be considered as a “series of misunderstandings” due to “unguarded speech and gossip” but that “it remains my own hunch that Anne had indeed committed adultery ….”
If this is Bernard's evidence for Anne's guilt, it's preposterous. It's mere conjecture. In what way then did you think Bernard's allegations about Anne's guilt were “backed up”? From your review I get no such impression.
If she had really intended to conceive a child by another man she would hardly have  been so foolish as to behave in the supposedly foolish and wreckless way she apparently did.
And why should she have assumed Henry to have been impotent when she had only recently been pregnant by him?
It all doesn't make sense. Why would she have risked her position thus carelessly having fought for it for so long. And she could never ever have believed to get away with it. As Louise and Hannah pointed out she would have needed help from her ladies.
August 22, 2010
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Isn't the book called Anne Boleyn: Fatal Attractions? If so, I think it's on the book club book poll. I'm interested to read this; I don't agree that Anne was guilty at all, but seeing the other side of the story will be interesting. Still, of course the charges were trumped up! Of course! (Oops, just stopped myself from going into rant mode there Smile) I'll try to start the book with an open mind.

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November 18, 2010
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Hmmm..I've just added it to my wish list. Might nip to the shop and look at it before I order.

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September 21, 2011
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I was lead to this post by the recent postings on the “What is everyone reading?” post. I have yet to read this book, however my preliminary thoughts are these. In fact it has been my theory on this subject for quite sometime. I believe the reason the Privy Council felt they would be able to “get away with” the trumped up charge of incest between Anne and George is that it was clear to all but never spoken aloud that Henry was impotent. Yet Anne needed a son to maintain her tenuous at best hold on her crown. Who could she trust to help her conceive a child and never betray the secret? Why her beloved brother of course! This charge would naturally horrify enough people to allow them to send her to the scaffold. I believe tossing in the others was just a back-up measure, in case the ludicrous charges against George were laughed out of court.

As for Monsieur Bernard, it would appear, just by the brief summaries I have look at regarding his book, he is a Big fan of Bluffy's! Which would explain a lot.

 

Kimberly

September 21, 2011
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Hi Kimberly,

I have yet to read this book.  It is doubtful I will ever have the stomach for it.  However, I try to keep an open mind, so it is not totally off my list of “maybe reads.”  I will be interested to hear your thoughts after you have read it.

  I always figured the council came up with the incest charges last to horrify and shock all those who may have thought it unlikely that Anne would have committed adultery with  four men.  But incest…well that was shocking stuff. To think that a queen would plot to have her brother’s baby and foist it on the king…that was too much.  Along with the other charges, the incest charge was the icing on the cake for that council.  Whichever came first, this whole business was a giant miscarriage of justice.

I’m not sure any of these disgusting charges were ever believed by that so-called jury.  They did their duty to their king by finding the accused guilty.  They knew the outcome before they ever heard the testimony. 

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