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February 4, 2013
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There’s going to be a TV show? I’ll have to keep my eye out for a decent download

February 4, 2013
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This is so exciting! Congrats to the team of archaeologists who worked so hard to find Richard’s remains. I hope to catch some of the tv special on-line.

I hope when he’s buried in Leicester, he receives the proper burial of a former King. I do wish he was being buried in York. The north had great affection for him. I believe his wife and son are buried in York Minster.

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February 4, 2013
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Isn’t Anne buried at Westminster Abbey and Edward at Sheriff-Hutton? Might be me, my brain’s a bit hazy at the moment.
I am being taken out tonight for some much needed R&R, but will view the channel 4 show when I return later (ah, the wonders of the technical age!).
Should make for great viewing and I’m sure it will air in other countries very soon, due to the worldwide interest.

February 4, 2013
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This is just so exciting! We won’t be able to get the TV show tonight, but I’m sure we will be able to catch it on the web soon.

February 4, 2013
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Neil Kemp said

Isn’t Anne buried at Westminster Abbey and Edward at Sheriff-Hutton? Might be me, my brain’s a bit hazy at the moment.
I am being taken out tonight for some much needed R&R, but will view the channel 4 show when I return later (ah, the wonders of the technical age!).
Should make for great viewing and I’m sure it will air in other countries very soon, due to the worldwide interest.

My mistake, Neil. I apparently cannot read!Wink Thanks for pointing this out! Your brain hazy works much better than my brain, anyday.

Have a good night out…try and behave Smile Cheers!

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February 4, 2013
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Excuse the expletive. Bloody Hell, this is amazing. It is as I said when this was first mentioned, the biggest find since the Princes.
I’m glad they did the reconstruction. He looks so different to what we believed was him via his portrait. In fact he was quite a handsome bloke.
Very like his brother in appearence I thought. I wouldn’t say a stud muffin quality about him but I could see woman falling at his feet.

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February 5, 2013
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Well the portraits had quite a prominent chin, and so does the reconstruction…at least one of the pics also has a slightly downturned nose, as does this bloke. But he’s better looking than his portraits for sure! And wow, that’s quite a curvature in his spine!!

I’m absurdly pleased it’s him…I’ve been anxiously awaiting the results ever since they first found his remains, and I was gutted last night that I had to work night shift so couldn’t watch the live press conference – I had to catch it on the news this morning.

February 5, 2013
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Gill said

Well the portraits had quite a prominent chin, and so does the reconstruction…at least one of the pics also has a slightly downturned nose, as does this bloke. But he’s better looking than his portraits for sure! And wow, that’s quite a curvature in his spine!!

I’m absurdly pleased it’s him…I’ve been anxiously awaiting the results ever since they first found his remains, and I was gutted last night that I had to work night shift so couldn’t watch the live press conference – I had to catch it on the news this morning.

It was indeed a heck of a curvature, and I rather think the woman in charge of the sociaty was disappointed that history was right about it too. I think she was rather hoping that the Tudor properganda was wrong. However that doesn’t make Richard any less of a man, in fact if anything it shows him as more of a man. He overcame tremendious odds to become a King, and it was clear that his disability made no difference, to him.
His death was such a tradigy, I feel that if he hadn’t of been betrayed by his lords he would have succeeded in killing Henry. History would be very different then wouldn’t it.

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February 5, 2013
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History would have indeed been different – this site wouldn’t exist for a start Frown

February 5, 2013
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Bella44 said

History would have indeed been different – this site wouldn’t exist for a start Frown

It might have been but just more to do with another queen. Possibly Richard’s wife. Anne Boleyn would have existed but maybe she wouldn’t have been as fmous as she is, and again K.H would have existed, but maybe she would have married Dereham. The possibilities are endless there.

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February 6, 2013
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Boleyn said

Gill said

Well the portraits had quite a prominent chin, and so does the reconstruction…at least one of the pics also has a slightly downturned nose, as does this bloke. But he’s better looking than his portraits for sure! And wow, that’s quite a curvature in his spine!!

I’m absurdly pleased it’s him…I’ve been anxiously awaiting the results ever since they first found his remains, and I was gutted last night that I had to work night shift so couldn’t watch the live press conference – I had to catch it on the news this morning.

It was indeed a heck of a curvature, and I rather think the woman in charge of the sociaty was disappointed that history was right about it too. I think she was rather hoping that the Tudor properganda was wrong. However that doesn’t make Richard any less of a man, in fact if anything it shows him as more of a man. He overcame tremendious odds to become a King, and it was clear that his disability made no difference, to him.
His death was such a tradigy, I feel that if he hadn’t of been betrayed by his lords he would have succeeded in killing Henry. History would be very different then wouldn’t it.

Sadly..I didn’t get to see to much but even I was getting irritated by the Richardian woman.

Any-one have a link to the C4 programme..I can’t find it on any of my searches….

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February 6, 2013
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Anyanka Totally agree with you there. She did rather get up my bugle a bit too. I think her whole purpose in finding Richard was to prove that he wasn’t deformed etc so to find out that he was was a bit of a blow. It makes no difference anyway, and personally I would have thought to find out that he was deformed makes the find all the more remarkable in the sence that Richard showed it made no difference to him.
Disabilty is a word nothing more and he overcame his and was a good King. I don’t believe he was the nephew murdering monster he was betrayed as, something happened to the princes that’s for sure but who or what killed them is the mystery. Richard didn’t and I don’t believe Henry did either.
Just another little snippet of information of how disability didn’t affect the rulership of a country. There was a danelaw king called Ivar the Boneless so called because he couldn’t walk or ride a horse and had to be carried everywhere by some of his men. His army conquerored York and he was a very wise and just monarch.

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February 6, 2013
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Anyanka, you can see the entire show on channel 4 on demand. I hope the direct link works, but if not look up channel 4 OD.
http://www.channel4.com/progra…..e-car-park

February 6, 2013
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Darn it…I thought for a moment there I was going to get to watch it – but it says not available in my area! Grrrr…Yell

February 7, 2013
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nor here…bummer!

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February 7, 2013
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That Richardian woman did my wick in.
Her face when she found out news she didn’t want a number of times though, aha.

no one around me was remotely interested when it was confirmed it was his bones :(
put a downer on my excitement, i was talking about it and fam were like mhmmm ye *nods* pfffttt.

February 7, 2013
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If anyone’s desperate to watch the documentary, check out eztv.it That’s where I got it from. I’d put the link in but I’m not sure about the legality of such sites…
That woman annoyed me too, she seemed to be walking off and crying every 10 minutes.

February 7, 2013
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I have not gone searching for the documentary online, yet; I did read some articles in some UK papers. Since most here seem to dislike the Richardian woman, may I add my dislike of her to the discussion. I don’t recall which paper, but in one article stated she made a comment that Richard’s facial reconstruction is not that of a tyrant. This got my dander up. I understand the purpose of the Richard III Society is to change the historical view of him, but how can any one tell by someone’s apperance what they are suppose to be like. It seems a tad hypocritical coming from someone from the society who argues that Richard’s deformities have nothing to do with his ability to rule. I felt she of all people should know better.

Regardless, the facial reconstruction is wonderfully done. Richard was certainly an attractive man, although his portraits do not always reflect this. This entire event has made me more interested in this era, and now I need to search for some books on Richard III, etc.

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February 7, 2013
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DuchessofBrittany said

I have not gone searching for the documentary online, yet; I did read some articles in some UK papers. Since most here seem to dislike the Richardian woman, may I add my dislike of her to the discussion. I don’t recall which paper, but in one article stated she made a comment that Richard’s facial reconstruction is not that of a tyrant. This got my dander up. I understand the purpose of the Richard III Society is to change the historical view of him, but how can any one tell by someone’s apperance what they are suppose to be like. It seems a tad hypocritical coming from someone from the society who argues that Richard’s deformities have nothing to do with his ability to rule. I felt she of all people should know better.

Regardless, the facial reconstruction is wonderfully done. Richard was certainly an attractive man, although his portraits do not always reflect this. This entire event has made me more interested in this era, and now I need to search for some books on Richard III, etc.

I think there is a difference between hearing words spoken, along with facial expression, and seeing them in print. They led Philippa into the room where the reconstruction was with her eyes closed. She was told to open them when in front of the model. She opened them and sort of whispered ‘That’s not the face of a tyrant….’ She was almost talking to herself.

She has come in for a lot of criticism and the media has really gone to town on her – I’ve seen articles implying she is ‘…in love…’ with Richard etc. What we have to remember is that she, almost single-handed, fought for four years to persuade people to undertake this dig, persuade the experts to come on board, raise some money when a sponsor pulled out at the last minute and deal with a film crew, so I think she is allowed to have a bit of emotion as the skeleton was revealed and other tests and so on were undertaken.

We must also remember that the programme makers often edit TV programmes to get the angle THEY want, not necessarily what the participants intended. They certainly played up Philippa and played down some of the research.

So, until you have seen the programme, with all the above in mind, please don’t dislike Philippa. Without her, no one would have bothered to undertake this dig and we wouldn’t know what we know now.

February 7, 2013
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She did kind of annoy me and was a little bit pathetic, however I do wonder what any one of us would be like if we were in her shoes and they had just found Anne Boleyns body for hte first time and they proved that she did not had a 6th finger or any of hte other things the muths have claimed, im sure its very emotional to have your lifes work and obsession play out before your eyes….she stil was annoying though i’m sorry i spent most of hte aughing my head off.

The most annoying people I found where the ones in the online video calls the guy who was hosting hte doucmetnary was having. They seemd really aggressive and obnoxious. That woman who was claiming that there was no way Richard could have had spinal problems because he fitted into armour! Didn’t she ever consiere there is more than one type of spinal deformity! I have a condition called Spinabifida where most people are paralysed from it, I however am not and am actually a rather good climber considering my back, hands and feet (as far as the xrays point out) are screwed up. I also would fit magnificantly into a suit of armour if I do say so myself haha.

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