Starkey's "Henry VIII - The Mind of a Tyrant" | Henry VIII | Forum

Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
Starkey's "Henry VIII - The Mind of a Tyrant"
March 16, 2012
11:15 am
Avatar
Janet
ON Canada
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 153
Member Since:
February 24, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I just finished watching this and am feeling rather disturbed. It’s my impression that Starkey basically blames Anne for Henry turning into a tyrant. Has anyone else watched this? Is it just me and I’ve misinterpreted it? Confused

March 16, 2012
12:21 pm
Avatar
Boleyn
Kent.
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 2285
Member Since:
January 3, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Janet. Good book, read it a few years ago, Starkey certainly knows his stuff that’s for sure.

Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod

March 16, 2012
12:33 pm
Avatar
Bella44
New Zealand
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 933
Member Since:
January 9, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Is his second book on Henry out??? I’ve read ‘Virtuous Prince’ but seems I’ve been waiting an age for the follow-up!

March 16, 2012
1:56 pm
Avatar
DuchessofBrittany
Canada
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 846
Member Since:
June 7, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I watched the series on youtube. I don’t think Starkey blamed Henry’s personality change on Anne. Rather, how the events of his relationship with Anne (and the susequent fights with Rome, KOA, and his courtiers) pushed Henry into a direction of great change. Not just a change in English policy, but a change in how Henry saw himself. I would say Anne had a hand in effectively arguing for Henry to break with Rome. I don’t thing you can blame Henry transforming into a tyrant on one event or person. I tend to think a culmination of events (and people, including Henry) helped mould a man, with newfound power.

I’ve always felt Starkey was sympathetic to Anne. He was one of the first, along with Ives, to effectively argue for her innocent. But, I also don’t give Anne a free pass. I feel we need to call her on things, but that DOES NOT mean I don’t support her, or have decreased affection for her. Please don’t take it that way.

In fact, Starkey was one of the major historians to challenge the long held view of KOA. He has been critical of her in the past; something I respect him for.

"By daily proof you shall find me to be to you both loving and kind" Anne Boleyn

March 16, 2012
3:01 pm
Avatar
Janet
ON Canada
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 153
Member Since:
February 24, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

DuchessofBrittany said

I watched the series on youtube. I don’t think Starkey blamed Henry’s personality change on Anne. Rather, how the events of his relationship with Anne (and the susequent fights with Rome, KOA, and his courtiers) pushed Henry into a direction of great change. Not just a change in English policy, but a change in how Henry saw himself. I would say Anne had a hand in effectively arguing for Henry to break with Rome. I don’t thing you can blame Henry transforming into a tyrant on one event or person. I tend to think a culmination of events (and people, including Henry) helped mould a man, with newfound power.

I’ve always felt Starkey was sympathetic to Anne. He was one of the first, along with Ives, to effectively argue for her innocent. But, I also don’t give Anne a free pass. I feel we need to call her on things, but that DOES NOT mean I don’t support her, or have decreased affection for her. Please don’t take it that way.

In fact, Starkey was one of the major historians to challenge the long held view of KOA. He has been critical of her in the past; something I respect him for.

Thank you Duchess. I’m not much of a fan of Henry (the man), but I do like Starkey, so thank you for clearing this up for me. I must have misunderstood what he said or misheard. My age is definitely affecting my hearing. Smile

March 16, 2012
4:15 pm
Avatar
Mya Elise
Ohio,US
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 781
Member Since:
May 16, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Ahh, I remember watching this on Netflix or the History channel (either one) and they had actors reanact and all that. I got the vibe that Starkey made Anne seem like a manipulative person. I don’t know why though.

• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.

March 16, 2012
5:20 pm
Avatar
Anyanka
La Belle Province
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 2337
Member Since:
November 18, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Must look out for this . Was it on PBS? I get WGBH and KCTSbut no other PBS stations and I don’t recall seeing it on any Canadian channel.

Duchess of Brittany, have you seen it on satelite??

It's always bunnies.

March 16, 2012
5:34 pm
Avatar
DuchessofBrittany
Canada
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 846
Member Since:
June 7, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Anyanka said

Must look out for this . Was it on PBS? I get WGBH and KCTSbut no other PBS stations and I don’t recall seeing it on any Canadian channel.

Duchess of Brittany, have you seen it on satelite??

Anyanka,

I’ve not seen it broadcast on any station here in Canada. I happened to find it on YouTube, but that was awhile ago. I don’t believe the DVD is even relased in region 1. I am hoping PBS will pick it up, or Acorn Media will buy the rights, although that can take time. After four year, Lynda la Plante’s Above Suspicion series was finally released in Canada. If I see anything, I’ll let you know.

"By daily proof you shall find me to be to you both loving and kind" Anne Boleyn

March 16, 2012
5:37 pm
Avatar
Anyanka
La Belle Province
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 2337
Member Since:
November 18, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thanks. I have have to plow the depths of torrents to find it.

It's always bunnies.

March 20, 2012
12:40 pm
Avatar
Sharon
Binghamton, NY
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 2115
Member Since:
February 24, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I just watched this series on You Tube. It took me a few days to get through the whole thing but it was well worth it. Starkey was very thorough as always.

March 20, 2012
6:54 pm
Avatar
Mya Elise
Ohio,US
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 781
Member Since:
May 16, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Isn’t it the one when he’s at Hever and he shows the headboard of Anne’s….or it is another one?

• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.

Forum Timezone: Europe/London

Most Users Ever Online: 214

Currently Online:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

Anyanka: 2337

Boleyn: 2285

Sharon: 2115

Bella44: 933

DuchessofBrittany: 846

Mya Elise: 781

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 0

Members: 427592

Moderators: 0

Admins: 1

Forum Stats:

Groups: 1

Forums: 13

Topics: 1712

Posts: 23076

Newest Members:

DennisDorie, vitushatault, oghmaniusVom, Urocchxae, Puimignog, Emma3456

Administrators: Claire: 959