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April 10, 2012
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Uh, he didn’t let food go to waste, uh huh he stopped that crisis. There was no way he was gonna let that happen.

And he fathered Elizabeth which I don’t give him full credit, it took 2 to tango and make a baby.

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April 10, 2012
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Anne does rather overshadow Henry.
I do try find an understanding for him though. I was not there I cannot really judge. I must be honest and say I have a fondness for Henry the man if not for Henry the viscious monarch. I know they are one in the same but he did what he felt he had to do in any given situation, can any of us really say with hand on heart we have never made a mistake or caused hurt to another by our actions, okay we have not chopped of any heads (I hope) but, and I am not trying to be religious here but the word is best I can think of, we have all sinned in one way or another in our relationships and effects on others.
I think it sad that he is forgotten as a sensient being in his guise of the King who killed his wives. I am sure he had legitimate pain and anguish as much as any of his subjects at various times.
Just saying. I like everyone have great difficulty in understanding the whys of it all but I do think of him as much as his wives and hope he is at peace.

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April 10, 2012
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Anne did overshadow Henry, which can do alot of damage to a man’s ego espeically a man like Henry.
I was reading something the other day about Prince Charles and Diana and it was discussing the possible jealousy Charles had for Diana because of all the attention she was getting and that was one of the reasons their marriage didnt work out…? Sounds kind of familiar, huh?

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April 10, 2012
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It does seem Henry’m marital history does overshadow his reign. I find him an interesting figure, who changed the course of English history, and there is more to him than his mutiple marriages. After reading Starkey’s book “Virtuous Prince,” I garned a greater respect for the young Henry, before he was corrupted by power. I felt for his uprbinging, always living in the shadow of his elder brother, and Henry VII’s constant need to control Henry’s life.

Anne did outshine him. She was the star, but he must have been aware of this before his pursuit of her. She drove men into a frenzy. But, as his wife and Queen, she was meant to transform into something else, a person she was incapable of being. She reminds of of Diana, Princess of Wales. She outshone Charles because she was more interesting, not just because she was beautiful. She has a certain something, and it drew people to her, and Charles hated it. From my readings about the Windsors, it soured their already unhappy marriage. Diana could not convert. Mind, Anne was never as well-liked by her contemporaries as Diana, but I feel it is a good analogy.

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April 10, 2012
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She was meant to transform into an orderly queen, but somehow, the role didn’t suit. Too bad, have got to hand it over to the understudy… Dear prima donna Anne.

April 10, 2012
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juliane said

She was meant to transform into an orderly queen, but somehow, the role didn’t suit. Too bad, have got to hand it over to the understudy… Dear prima donna Anne.

I certainly know the role would not suit me. My friends joke that if I was born in the middle ages, I would have been burnt as a witch. I share Anne’s inability to transform into something other than myself, and I respect he for it. But, I could not become the obedient, seen but not hear mentality some people prefer.

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April 10, 2012
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Fortunately or unfortunately, Anne was seen and heard by all and sundry. Lol some people can’t help but get a high profile. And she probably disliked having to repeat herself!

April 10, 2012
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In short not a lot. Elizabeth was his crowning glory to be fair. But Henry did I suppose allow the access to new learning and thinking. Elizabeth wouldn’t have been quite so good a ruler if she hadn’t been given the chance to digest a lot of the books that were forbidden by the Catholic church. Elizabeth also learnt a lot from studying her father and was resolute in her attitude to make sure she didn’t make the same mistakes he did.
Henry I rather think lived in a pipe dream world, he made lots of noise and blew fire and ballast in the right directions, but when push came to shove did and acheieved extremely little.

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April 10, 2012
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juliane said

Fortunately or unfortunately, Anne was seen and heard by all and sundry. Lol some people can’t help but get a high profile. And she probably disliked having to repeat herself!

I for one am thankful for Anne Boleyn. When I became enthralled with her as a young girl, her life taught me to stand and speak for myself (which I sometimes struggle with), but when I waver I think of her, and find the strength to carry on. That’s corny, isn’t it?

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DuchessofBrittany said

juliane said

Fortunately or unfortunately, Anne was seen and heard by all and sundry. Lol some people can’t help but get a high profile. And she probably disliked having to repeat herself!

I for one am thankful for Anne Boleyn. When I became enthralled with her as a young girl, her life taught me to stand and speak for myself (which I sometimes struggle with), but when I waver I think of her, and find the strength to carry on. That’s corny, isn’t it?

No, it’s not corny, Anne’s an inspiration to all women – she rebelled against the way women were supposed to be and act and look like. Whenever I want to be stronger I think of her strength and courage.

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April 10, 2012
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Mya Elise said

DuchessofBrittany said

juliane said

Fortunately or unfortunately, Anne was seen and heard by all and sundry. Lol some people can’t help but get a high profile. And she probably disliked having to repeat herself!

I for one am thankful for Anne Boleyn. When I became enthralled with her as a young girl, her life taught me to stand and speak for myself (which I sometimes struggle with), but when I waver I think of her, and find the strength to carry on. That’s corny, isn’t it?

No, it’s not corny, Anne’s an inspiration to all women – she rebelled against the way women were supposed to be and act and look like. Whenever I want to be stronger I think of her strength and courage.

Thanks, Mya! I know people here will understand how I feel about Anne. She is an inspiration! Some people look at me strangely when I talk about Anne (and the rest of the Tudors). But here I feel apart of a larger family of Anne supporters!

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April 10, 2012
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Yeah, some people just don’t get it. People like Anne are the ones who paved the way for women to be different and speak out instead of forever being obedient.

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April 11, 2012
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Anne would say to each and everyone here, “Be true to yourself; stand up for yourself; don’t be shy; go and get whatever it is that you want, even if it’s a crown; don’t say no to what’s on offer; get the best out of the bargain; don’t allow others to whack you or put you down or aside; even faced with the scaffold, do it in style, ok?”
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April 11, 2012
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LOL, Juliane, you just perfectly sumed Anne up and made it humorous like Anne.

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April 12, 2012
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Mya, there’s an Anne in each of us. 🙂 How big she grows depends on each individual. I would say that my Anne is full-sized! Lol hug!

April 12, 2012
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MegC said

I caught a brief documentary on PBS recently on Henry VIII and AB, narrated by David Starkey.  Thus, I can only assume that Starkey had some in-put into exactly what was said.  He made the point that, except for his six marriages and break with Rome, Henry VIII actually accomplished very little during his reign, and, had the Great Matter never occurred, he probably would have gone down in royal obscurity.

Which was a point I had never thought about before.  I have since racked my brain and cannot think of anything else he managed to accomplish that was not directly connected to his divorce from Katherine of Aragon.  Anyone got anything?  

Right you are, Meg!
Personally, I think the only good thing Hank did was die.Yell
Why people refer to him as ‘the good King Henry’ is beyond me, especially considering how many innocent people he had tortured, and ‘persuaded’ to confess to things they never did…. and the murder of two of his wives. IMO, Henry was nothing but an arrogant, narrow-minded, easily swayed, ruthless old braggart. With the girth and weight of him latterly, he should have been charged with animal cruelty for sitting on his poor horse!
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April 13, 2012
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LOL, well said Anne-fan! Especially the torturing/sitting of the horse part, poor poor thing must of been in agony.

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April 16, 2012
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Mya Elise said

Uh, he didn’t let food go to waste, uh huh he stopped that crisis. There was no way he was gonna let that happen.

And he fathered Elizabeth which I don’t give him full credit, it took 2 to tango and make a baby.

Mya what you got to remember that old fat boy was on a permenant diet, well 2 diets actually. A seafood Diet and a Wholefood diet.
Seafood and eat it.
Whole loaves of Bread, whole swans, whole sides of beef etc.

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Lol yes! exactly.

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