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Henry's letters to Anne
April 10, 2012
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V. Veritas
E. ex animo, e pluribus unam
Z. Fin

April 10, 2012
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Bill1978 said

Well the 6 is Henry telling Anne he will have 6 wives, then it says and (n) Anne (A) I (I) decapitate (de) Anne (A) over (o) nothing at all (na or not applicable) then the last part is virgin (v) elizabeth (e) will be the last of the Tudor line (z – end of the alphabet)

Clearly I have absolutely no idea.

Well if yours is anywhere near correct then that’d make Henry a psychic, making him the witch not Anne.
I’d love to know what it means but it’s probably some kind of ‘I love you’ note or something – wonder if Anne ever figured it out.?

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April 10, 2012
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She knew. It was a code understood by the two of them, some kind of guessing love game.

April 10, 2012
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Well I wish I was counted into it so I could understand it, gosh they can be so inconsiderate…Wink

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April 10, 2012
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N perhaps for ‘nostra, nostro’…
6th month of our first year of love (amor), Navarre, v.e.z

April 10, 2012
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6 notre premiere annee d’amour, octobre, Navarre, veritablement, sincerement, un parmi plusieurs, fin

Perhaps that’s the mystery.

April 10, 2012
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Elliemarianna said

Boleyn said

Here’s a couple of questions for you to all ponder over.
1) Why did Henry and Anne’s love letters to each other end up in the Vatican?
2) Who was responsible in taking the letters to the Vatican?
3) What possible reason were they sent there for?

The Vatican wanted to see to what extent Anne and Henry’s relationship had become serious.

Perhaps it means something like. All for the love of Anne I’ve done this, or something like that..
Ellie I can understand that, but what had it really got to do with Rome what he was writing to Anne? Was the Pope suspitious of Anne’s influence over Henry and perhaps thought that Henry would wage war on Spain or something? Anne was fond of the French and I believe that she was instrumental in helping trying to inprove Anglo/French relations. So as I said was the Pope scared of a Holy war if English and French troops united again Spain? Which makes me wonder just what the Pope was hiding.

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April 10, 2012
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Boleyn said

Elliemarianna said

Boleyn said

Here’s a couple of questions for you to all ponder over.
1) Why did Henry and Anne’s love letters to each other end up in the Vatican?
2) Who was responsible in taking the letters to the Vatican?
3) What possible reason were they sent there for?

The Vatican wanted to see to what extent Anne and Henry’s relationship had become serious.

Perhaps it means something like. All for the love of Anne I’ve done this, or something like that..
Ellie I can understand that, but what had it really got to do with Rome what he was writing to Anne? Was the Pope suspitious of Anne’s influence over Henry and perhaps thought that Henry would wage war on Spain or something? Anne was fond of the French and I believe that she was instrumental in helping trying to inprove Anglo/French relations. So as I said was the Pope scared of a Holy war if English and French troops united again Spain? Which makes me wonder just what the Pope was hiding.

Rome was the greatest power in Europe, essentially corrupt and desperate to keep hold of that power. When Henry applied for a divorce, the Pope obviously thought his passion for Anne Boleyn would burn out as his other affairs had. They pretended to look into the kings ‘great matter’ but effectively put off the decision. Eventually Henry got so fed up he threatened the break with Rome. This sent them into turmoil. They didn’t want to loose power over the English monarch as he was a very powerful ally to Rome. King Charles V warned the pope that if he allowed the divorce he would be very very unhappy. The Pope did not want to risk war with Spain as Spain was a very powerful Roman Catholic country.

The letters between Anne and Henry were stolen to see the extent of their feelings for one another, and to no doubt find out what their plans for the future were. They wanted to know how far Henry would go to marry Anne.

Henry grew tired of waiting and forced the issue, marrying Anne in 1533. The Pope deemed the marriage illegal. Henry had effectively split with Rome.

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April 11, 2012
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When you think that even Henry’s own sister got a divorce it is sad to think of all the problems he had to go through to do the same. Not saying one way or the other whether divorce is too easy or not these days but just think if you were in the position of wanting one but couldn’t have one because the ‘divorce court judge’ was being intimidated by your partner’s influential nephew – how would you feel?
Henry wasn’t playing on a level playing field really so had to make his own way in getting the divorce.
Henry, Katherine and Anne were in the basic old triangle just as happens all over today. They were people with emotions as well as responsibilities. I feel for them all.
Henry’s letter though do show how determined he was in his Great Matter, no different to anyone in the same position today except it would not have come to the same ending if Charles had kept his posturing and threats out of the whole issue.

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April 11, 2012
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Elliemarianna said

Boleyn said

Elliemarianna said

Boleyn said

Here’s a couple of questions for you to all ponder over.
1) Why did Henry and Anne’s love letters to each other end up in the Vatican?
2) Who was responsible in taking the letters to the Vatican?
3) What possible reason were they sent there for?

The Vatican wanted to see to what extent Anne and Henry’s relationship had become serious.

Perhaps it means something like. All for the love of Anne I’ve done this, or something like that..
Ellie I can understand that, but what had it really got to do with Rome what he was writing to Anne? Was the Pope suspitious of Anne’s influence over Henry and perhaps thought that Henry would wage war on Spain or something? Anne was fond of the French and I believe that she was instrumental in helping trying to inprove Anglo/French relations. So as I said was the Pope scared of a Holy war if English and French troops united again Spain? Which makes me wonder just what the Pope was hiding.

Rome was the greatest power in Europe, essentially corrupt and desperate to keep hold of that power. When Henry applied for a divorce, the Pope obviously thought his passion for Anne Boleyn would burn out as his other affairs had. They pretended to look into the kings ‘great matter’ but effectively put off the decision. Eventually Henry got so fed up he threatened the break with Rome. This sent them into turmoil. They didn’t want to loose power over the English monarch as he was a very powerful ally to Rome. King Charles V warned the pope that if he allowed the divorce he would be very very unhappy. The Pope did not want to risk war with Spain as Spain was a very powerful Roman Catholic country.

The letters between Anne and Henry were stolen to see the extent of their feelings for one another, and to no doubt find out what their plans for the future were. They wanted to know how far Henry would go to marry Anne.

Henry grew tired of waiting and forced the issue, marrying Anne in 1533. The Pope deemed the marriage illegal. Henry had effectively split with Rome.

Thank you Ellie.
However whilst I agree that Charlie Boy would be a bit miffed if the Pope agreed with the divorce etc. Theorectically what could he do about it? As he himself was a pious Catholic, he surely would have no alternetive but to obey the judgement the Holy Father had layed down or risk being excommunicated himself. I suppose he could petition the bishops, for a vote of no confidence in the Pope? But was that actually possible or was it that once the Pope was elected that was it till death? Spain was the big cheese in Europe and England was by comparrison the mouse.
I can also understand why Henry was so annoyed at the Pope in hanging this whole divorce business out, considering his sister Margaret, had managed to get her whole divorce from the Earl of Angus done in a matter of a few weeks. As it was Margaret had married Archibald Douglas in secret, so there for theorectically because the marriage had taken place in secret it hadn’t actually had the blessing of the Church. In the Pope’s eyes that Margaret’s marriage was no marriage. Henry just basically saw just that because his sister had by Popish ideas lived in sin with a man and called him husband, without the blessings of the church, etc. He decided to use the same ploy and tactic himself. Well if it worked for her it could work for him etc..
Just a thought don’t sharpen up the iron maiden yet.. LOL

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April 11, 2012
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AFAIK, a pope is pope for life He can’t be removed by legal means. However a few popes have resigned over the past 2,000-ish years for varying reasons. And several have been rumoured to have been assassinated.

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April 11, 2012
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Think that you’ve got to have divine inspiration and courage to be a pope until God says that you can step up to something better lol

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