Henry's coffin | Henry VIII | Forum

Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

No permission to create posts
sp_Feed Topic RSS sp_TopicIcon
Henry's coffin
April 6, 2012
1:37 pm
Avatar
Maggyann
Nottingham
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 238
Member Since:
May 7, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I don’t know if you have seen this before but I was browsing, as you do, on Tudor stuff and it came up. I thought it was interesting. You can click on the picture to magnify it and move the red square about to see closer.
Ah now I realise I don’t know how to do links grrrrrrrrrrr

http://www.royalcollection.org…..#038;row=7

well that is a C&P will it work I ask myself???

Let us show them that they are hares and foxes trying to rule over dogs and wolves - Boudica addressing the tribes Circa AD60

April 6, 2012
1:54 pm
Avatar
Elliemarianna
Corsham, Wiltshire
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 316
Member Since:
June 7, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I always imagined Henry’s coffin to be a little wider lol! A bit gross about his remains hanging out.

"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

April 6, 2012
4:03 pm
Avatar
DuchessofBrittany
Canada
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 846
Member Since:
June 7, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thanks for posting, Maggyann. It is interesting to have a sense of what the burials look like.

It is ironic that Henry, with his inflated sense of self, would be buried under a simple floor marker. I felt nothing when I visited his grave. I did take the time to pay my respects for Miss Seymour. It is the graves of the wives who evoke emotions in me.

"By daily proof you shall find me to be to you both loving and kind" Anne Boleyn

April 7, 2012
4:30 pm
Avatar
Mya Elise
Ohio,US
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 781
Member Since:
May 16, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I don’t think i’d feel nothing when I visit his grave site, I think i’d feel an overwhelming anger come over me and when I get angry I tend to cry for some odd reason…?
But yeah when I visit the wives graves I think i’ll cry especially Anne’s. I wish Anne and Elizabeth were buried near each other…

• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.

April 7, 2012
11:43 pm
Avatar
Elliemarianna
Corsham, Wiltshire
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 316
Member Since:
June 7, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I’ve always wondered if Jane is preserved like Katherine Parr! I wish they would find the wooden effigy that was used during her funeral, then we could get a better idea of how she looked.

"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

April 8, 2012
5:10 am
Avatar
Janet
ON Canada
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 153
Member Since:
February 24, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Some day, I’d like to go and stand over Henry and tell him exactly what I think of him and what he did!

April 8, 2012
8:49 am
Avatar
Sharon
Binghamton, NY
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 2115
Member Since:
February 24, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Janet, you are not alone. Hopefully, it would make us feel better. Although talking to his grave wouldn’t do us any better than talking to him in person would have. Brick walls and all that.

April 8, 2012
9:03 am
Avatar
Mya Elise
Ohio,US
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 781
Member Since:
May 16, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

LOL, I would so do that. I talk to myself all the time anyways so yeah I could see myself screaming at a 500 year old coffin…? Yeah totally. And i’d probably sit by Anne’s grave site crying and talking to her like she’s talking back.

• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.

April 9, 2012
3:15 am
Avatar
juliane
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 115
Member Since:
March 28, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Mya, if you talk to Anne more, chances are that she’ll eventually reply. Be sure to have your comeback ready. lol

April 9, 2012
7:32 am
Avatar
Mya Elise
Ohio,US
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 781
Member Since:
May 16, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

juliane said

Mya, if you talk to Anne more, chances are that she’ll eventually reply. Be sure to have your comeback ready. lol

LOL, it depends on what she’d say…she was very unpredictable so she could say just about anything….

• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.

April 9, 2012
7:41 am
Avatar
Boleyn
Kent.
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 2285
Member Since:
January 3, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

There was a prophesy given to Henry, on the day of Anne’s Crowning. One of the many priests that Henry had started to turf out said, that because he had cast aside KOA in favour of his whore A.B that he would be as Ahab. His blood will be drunk by dogs. This one actually came true too.
As for the coffin pic, Hmm I’m going to reserve judgement on it, but I have read somewhere that Henry’s coffin was placed on top of Jane’s, not by the side of her. It’s wholely possible that I’ve got that wrong, but even so I would imagine that Henry’s coffin would have been much much larger and longer too.

Semper Fidelis, quod sum quod

April 9, 2012
8:39 am
Avatar
Maggyann
Nottingham
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 238
Member Since:
May 7, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

As to the size of the coffin I think we have to remember that this just a sketch done while the workmen were working on making repairs to the chamber. It could be a bit of artistic licence in making the coffin a more normal size. I found the tiny coffin sitting on that of Charles really sad, one of Queen Anne’s children I think.

Let us show them that they are hares and foxes trying to rule over dogs and wolves - Boudica addressing the tribes Circa AD60

April 9, 2012
10:59 am
Avatar
Bella44
New Zealand
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 933
Member Since:
January 9, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thanks for putting this up Maggyann. I remember seeing this sketch somewhere but could never find it! When I was 10 I visited Windsor Castle and I remember how disappointed I was that Henry didn’t have a proper tomb/monument, just a plaque in the floor indicating his final resting place. In fact I think I walked over him several times before I realized where he was!
And the teeny tiny coffin of one of Queen Annes’ babies gets to me too Frown

April 9, 2012
7:05 pm
Avatar
Mya Elise
Ohio,US
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 781
Member Since:
May 16, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Oh god, one of Anne’s little babies? Makes me want to cry…
What ever happend to Anne’s other babies? Or were they just miscarriages?

• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.

April 9, 2012
11:14 pm
Avatar
Bella44
New Zealand
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 933
Member Since:
January 9, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Mya Elise said

Oh god, one of Anne’s little babies? Makes me want to cry…
What ever happend to Anne’s other babies? Or were they just miscarriages?

I think most of her pregnancies, of which there were about 17, ended in miscarriages or stillbirths. Or the baby didn’t survive infancy. She did have one son who lived to be about 11 though. Another queen with a sad personal history Frown

April 10, 2012
12:56 am
Avatar
Elliemarianna
Corsham, Wiltshire
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 316
Member Since:
June 7, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Bella44 said

Mya Elise said

Oh god, one of Anne’s little babies? Makes me want to cry…
What ever happend to Anne’s other babies? Or were they just miscarriages?

I think most of her pregnancies, of which there were about 17, ended in miscarriages or stillbirths. Or the baby didn’t survive infancy. She did have one son who lived to be about 11 though. Another queen with a sad personal history Frown

Its so horrible. We take medical knowledge for granted these days, as it seems so obvious to us all… Be hygienic, be healthy etc, but it goes to show how little they knew back then, and how much of an effect it had on everyone lives. Such a waste of life Frown

"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

April 10, 2012
1:37 am
Avatar
Bill1978
Australia
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 476
Member Since:
April 9, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Yep Anne had 17 pregnancies, 5 of which produced children that lived long enough to be baptised and named. 6 were still born and 6 were miscarriages. William lived until the age of 11 when he died of possibly scarlet fever or smallbox. His death meant the end of the Stuart line (legally) and caused Parliament to bring in laws that would prevent any Catholics from succeeding to the throne. This was because James II’s son James had the best argument for succeeding his aunt Queen Anne, but James had been bought up a Catholic like his father James II. So Parliament decalred that when the Queen passed away the throne would be passed over to her German relative Sophia of Hanover and her relatives. Sophia passed away before Anne which allowed her son to claim the throne on Anne’s death, which allowed Great Britain to get George I.

Of course, France ignored all that stuff and declared James the new King of Great Britain and recognised him as James III. James III tried one invasion of Britain but failed miserbaly and lived his life in exile, the papacity did not recognise the House of Hanover until George III (1792). Bit of trvia for you, if James II hadn’t fled England and his son succeeded him, there would have been only 2 monarchs during that time compared to the 6 that occured during James’ ‘III” life time – 3 Stuarts and 3 Hanovers. James III as the Pretender King ‘ruled’ longer than any English or British monarch has reigned. The current Elizabeth won’t achieve this record until May 26, 2016

April 10, 2012
3:51 am
Avatar
Maggyann
Nottingham
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 238
Member Since:
May 7, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thanks for that Bill. So if there were 5 survived birth, one of which was the son who lived to 11 that means there are 4 others. Was it normal practice then to simply inter small coffins into any old grave? This particular one with Henry, Charles and the Queen has an indication on the slab of one of Anne’s children does anyone know where the rest are?
As to the longevity of ‘James III’ perhaps it would have been shorter if he had won the throne, stress and what have you…

Let us show them that they are hares and foxes trying to rule over dogs and wolves - Boudica addressing the tribes Circa AD60

April 10, 2012
5:58 am
Avatar
DuchessofBrittany
Canada
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 846
Member Since:
June 7, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Maggyann said

Thanks for that Bill. So if there were 5 survived birth, one of which was the son who lived to 11 that means there are 4 others. Was it normal practice then to simply inter small coffins into any old grave? This particular one with Henry, Charles and the Queen has an indication on the slab of one of Anne’s children does anyone know where the rest are?
As to the longevity of ‘James III’ perhaps it would have been shorter if he had won the throne, stress and what have you…

Mgagyanne,

My research suggests most of Anne’s children were interred in Westminster Abbey, two of whom were buried in Henry VII Chapel (Mary and Anne Sophia). It seems only the stillborn son was buried in St. George’s.
Her son, Prince William, Duke of Gloucester lived to be 11 years old. He died from either scarlet fever or smallpox. He was buried in Westminster Abbey.
Queen Anne’s personal history is so tragic. I feel a tremendous amount of empathy for her situation. I cannot even comprehend the emotional and physical toll of successive pregnancies, stillbirths, and miscarriages must have take on her body and psyche.

"By daily proof you shall find me to be to you both loving and kind" Anne Boleyn

April 10, 2012
6:36 am
Avatar
Maggyann
Nottingham
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 238
Member Since:
May 7, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thank you for the information Duchess. I love royals in history but I have to admit to having gaps. My interest seems to fade with the arrival of James and by Victoria I am more interested in the social aspects than the monarchy. On the other end of the scale I enjoy everything from Boudica onwards to Elizabeth. I must make myself concentrate and discover more about things after Elizabeth as far as the royals go.

Let us show them that they are hares and foxes trying to rule over dogs and wolves - Boudica addressing the tribes Circa AD60

No permission to create posts
Forum Timezone: Europe/London

Most Users Ever Online: 214

Currently Online:

Top Posters:

Anyanka: 2337

Boleyn: 2285

Sharon: 2115

Bella44: 933

DuchessofBrittany: 846

Mya Elise: 781

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 0

Members: 427592

Moderators: 0

Admins: 1

Forum Stats:

Groups: 1

Forums: 13

Topics: 1712

Posts: 23076

Newest Members:

DennisDorie, vitushatault, oghmaniusVom, Urocchxae, Puimignog, Emma3456

Administrators: Claire: 959