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Henry, It didn't work
March 31, 2012
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It makes me laugh that Henry did everything to get rid of Anne and everything to forget her and here we are 500 years later Anne’s spirit and memory are probably more remembered than at any other time in history.
He made her out to be a witch, called his own daughter a bastard, killed his friends and wiped out EVERYTHING he could of Anne but it just didn’t work cos Anne is STILL loved and remembered and always will be.

“Sorry Henry, it didn’t work!!!!!!”

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March 31, 2012
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I believe he kept some of her things after she died.

"It is however but Justice, & my Duty to declre that this amiable Woman was entirely innocent of the Crimes with which she was accused, of which her Beauty, her Elegance, & her Sprightliness were sufficient proofs..." Jane Austen.

March 31, 2012
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Henry had a habit of squirrelling things to be honest. Perhaps he was the one who kept Anne’s B necklace.

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March 31, 2012
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To give Henry his due, he did return both Mary and Elizabeth to the succession. Though I’m not convinced he thought either of them would/could inherit…

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March 31, 2012
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I don’t think he wanted Anne to be forgotten, more hated than anything. He was angry at her for various reasons, like her not giving him the son she promised, miscarring 2..3? other babies that were probably boys, which wasn’t her fault but he ultimately blamed her. And since he hated her he wanted everyone else to and everyone did because of the whole Katherine ordeal.

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April 1, 2012
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Sophie1536 said

It makes me laugh that Henry did everything to get rid of Anne and everything to forget her and here we are 500 years later Anne’s spirit and memory are probably more remembered than at any other time in history.
He made her out to be a witch, called his own daughter a bastard, killed his friends and wiped out EVERYTHING he could of Anne but it just didn’t work cos Anne is STILL loved and remembered and always will be.

“Sorry Henry, it didn’t work!!!!!!”

It certainly didn’t.Smile
How anyone could possibly refer to Henry as ‘the good king Henry’ is beyond me! More people remember him as the letch that he was, while more people remember Anne far more kindly than the old boy intended! Too bad for Hank! Surprised

April 2, 2012
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Just playing a bit of Devil’s Advocate here, I do wonder if Anne’s legacy would be as high as it is today if Elizabeth I wasn’t such a suuccessful monarch.

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Bill1978 said

Just playing a bit of Devil’s Advocate here, I do wonder if Anne’s legacy would be as high as it is today if Elizabeth I wasn’t such a suuccessful monarch.

I honestly don’t know! Good question. However, I do feel that many people understood why Anne was murdered and her personality smeared by Henry and cohorts… and felt sympathy for Anne regardless of the lies told about her.

April 2, 2012
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Elizabeth being successful monarch is a triumph more so for Anne then Henry because he was the one disapointed about her since the day she was born and he didn’t believe in her.
I don’t think Elizabeth’s reign affected the way people feel about Anne, it was a totally different situation. People would still research Henry and come across Anne, the wife he murdered to marry another, the wife that was put to death on false charges because Henry didn’t decided Anne wasn’t good enough anymore. The fact that Anne was the mother of the most famous and successful and most loved monarch just makes it a little more interesting to read about.

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April 2, 2012
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Henry tried to make Anne Infamous Woman and all he did was turn into a famous Woman.
Henry on the other hand wanted to become famous, for what he did with the Church etc, but all that happened is that he became infamous, for greed, murder and destruction of the monastries.

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April 2, 2012
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Henry really is a very odd charter to pin down exactly. He turned the world upside down and inside out destroyed his freinds Aillnated his daughter Mary, told the Pope to sod off, and broke KOA heart, for Anne. Only for him to turn it the other way around, kill her freinds to get rid of Anne.
By the way did you all know that he still considered himself a Catholic even after he made himself head of the Church?
Certainly his obayences weren’t as rigorous as the Popish ways but he still kept some semblance of the old order of things.

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April 2, 2012
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Anne-fan said

Bill1978 said

Just playing a bit of Devil’s Advocate here, I do wonder if Anne’s legacy would be as high as it is today if Elizabeth I wasn’t such a suuccessful monarch.

I honestly don’t know! Good question. However, I do feel that many people understood why Anne was murdered and her personality smeared by Henry and cohorts… and felt sympathy for Anne regardless of the lies told about her.

IMHO, had Elizabeth not been either a successful or longlasting ruler then Henry and his wives would be relegated to the dim cupboard of history like many other medeaval rulers. It’s mainly her legacy that re-inforces the English Reformation and it’s influence on European politics.

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Boleyn said

By the way did you all know that he still considered himself a Catholic even after he made himself head of the Church?
Certainly his obayences weren’t as rigorous as the Popish ways but he still kept some semblance of the old order of things.

I’ve been to some High Anglican churches where the was very little difference to a non-Christian between a Catholic Mass and an Anglican Communion when held in English.

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April 2, 2012
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There was something wrong with Henry, seriously, even before the fall. Nothing he did makes any sense, at least to me it doesn’t. Or maybe it was just the desire for a son that made him crazy – IT was the reason he wiped out all of his wives: Katherine only gave him a son as did Anne, Jane did give him a son but wasn’t around long enough for us to see how the rest of their marriage would play out, Anna of Cleves didn’t have a chance to give him a son because he didn’t want her from the beginning, Katheryn Howard’s situation was just a mess to begin with and I don’t think Henry could make a baby anymore? (?), and no need to say with Catherine Parr.
Obviously the fall made him a full looney but I think he had some serious issues before then…

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April 2, 2012
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Anyanka said

Anne-fan said

Bill1978 said

Just playing a bit of Devil’s Advocate here, I do wonder if Anne’s legacy would be as high as it is today if Elizabeth I wasn’t such a suuccessful monarch.

I honestly don’t know! Good question. However, I do feel that many people understood why Anne was murdered and her personality smeared by Henry and cohorts… and felt sympathy for Anne regardless of the lies told about her.

IMHO, had Elizabeth not been either a successful or longlasting ruler then Henry and his wives would be relegated to the dim cupboard of history like many other medeaval rulers. It’s mainly her legacy that re-inforces the English Reformation and it’s influence on European politics.

That could well be true!

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Mya Elise said

There was something wrong with Henry, seriously, even before the fall. Nothing he did makes any sense, at least to me it doesn’t. Or maybe it was just the desire for a son that made him crazy – IT was the reason he wiped out all of his wives: Katherine only gave him a son as did Anne, Jane did give him a son but wasn’t around long enough for us to see how the rest of their marriage would play out, Anna of Cleves didn’t have a chance to give him a son because he didn’t want her from the beginning, Katheryn Howard’s situation was just a mess to begin with and I don’t think Henry could make a baby anymore? (?), and no need to say with Catherine Parr.
Obviously the fall made him a full looney but I think he had some serious issues before then…

I totally agree, Mya. Loony he was, and very easily persuaded by his closest advisers. Seems old Hank was unable to think for himself.

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I think that the difference between the anglican service, and the catholic mass begins with the idea of transubstantiation. And of course the place of Mary, the mother of Jesus. Catholics also light candles so that their prayers are continued after they’ve left the church. But then. All believe in God, in Christ, and in the angels.

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Anne-fan said

Mya Elise said

There was something wrong with Henry, seriously, even before the fall. Nothing he did makes any sense, at least to me it doesn’t. Or maybe it was just the desire for a son that made him crazy – IT was the reason he wiped out all of his wives: Katherine only gave him a son as did Anne, Jane did give him a son but wasn’t around long enough for us to see how the rest of their marriage would play out, Anna of Cleves didn’t have a chance to give him a son because he didn’t want her from the beginning, Katheryn Howard’s situation was just a mess to begin with and I don’t think Henry could make a baby anymore? (?), and no need to say with Catherine Parr.
Obviously the fall made him a full looney but I think he had some serious issues before then…

I totally agree, Mya. Loony he was, and very easily persuaded by his closest advisers. Seems old Hank was unable to think for himself.

For the big man he was..he was very naive.

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Mya Elise said

Anne-fan said

Mya Elise said

There was something wrong with Henry, seriously, even before the fall. Nothing he did makes any sense, at least to me it doesn’t. Or maybe it was just the desire for a son that made him crazy – IT was the reason he wiped out all of his wives: Katherine only gave him a son as did Anne, Jane did give him a son but wasn’t around long enough for us to see how the rest of their marriage would play out, Anna of Cleves didn’t have a chance to give him a son because he didn’t want her from the beginning, Katheryn Howard’s situation was just a mess to begin with and I don’t think Henry could make a baby anymore? (?), and no need to say with Catherine Parr.
Obviously the fall made him a full looney but I think he had some serious issues before then…

I totally agree, Mya. Loony he was, and very easily persuaded by his closest advisers. Seems old Hank was unable to think for himself.

For the big man he was..he was very naive.

He sure was… very easily manipulated.

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I honestly don’t think Henry did anything without asking how to do it, he never did things by himself. He always listened to what others had to say and while that can be a good thing it can be a very bad thing too.

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