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Had Anne died of the Sweating Sickness, WWHD?
February 7, 2013
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Anyanka
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Would Henry have recalled Katherine or would he have carried on seeking an annulment of their marriage and looked for another royal wife ?

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February 7, 2013
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I defnitely think he would have continued with the annulment. He had spent too long trying to convince everyone this was a just cause and was only to ease his conscience due to the sin they had committed etc etc etc. He couldn’t back out now with Anne dead without looking like a complete idiot and a liar. I think it might have een made his case stronger since he could argue that he was still trying for the annulment despite Anne’s death. reckon he would have gone for a French Princess – if ther was one on offer at the time, I don’t know.

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February 7, 2013
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I have to agree with you there Kelly, and I rather think that maybe COA would have backed down too and agreed to the annulment too.

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February 7, 2013
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I think Henry would have had to continue with his plan for annullment if Anne had died during that time. He would look like a royal fool if he didn’t continue. There is no way I see Katherine agreeing to the annullment though. She would have fought tooth and nail to keep that marriage whether there was another woman or not. And yes, Henry would have been on the prowl for another wife.
I got confused on this one. Anne had the sweat in ’28. Katherine wasn’t banished yet, and the proceedings hadn’t begun agaisnt her. I’m really not good at What ifs…Confused

February 7, 2013
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Oh I thought Catherine had already bee banished. I think he still would have gone ahead anyway. Even with Anne dead, the facts reamined hte same. Catherine was passed child-bearing age and Henry needed a male heir. The idea had already entered Henry’s head to cast her aside and theres no way of changing Henrys mind once he’s decided on something. I do wonder however if due to Anne’s death the Pope’s reaction to it may have been a littledifferent. Obviously he would have sided with Catherine for a while seeing as Rome was sacked and he was the puppet of the Empoeror, but how long did that last? I’m not great on all the timeline for those things. Maybe Rome woulde have granted the divorce after a period of time, like with many Kings and Catherine would have been more complient if ordered by the Pope?

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February 7, 2013
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I agree with everyone who thinks he would have proceeded with the annulment. Catherine was close or past child bearing and having a son was of the utmost importance to Henry. He would have looked to the court or the royals elsewhere for a new queen/ baby machine.

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February 7, 2013
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Didn’t the French question Mary’s legitimacy once due to the Arthurian marriage before Henry met Anne?

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February 8, 2013
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Anyanka said

Didn’t the French question Mary’s legitimacy once due to the Arthurian marriage before Henry met Anne?

Really? Wow aren’ hte French hypercritical. So they questioned Mary’s legitimacy because of Aurther and yet questioned Elizabeth’s legitimacy beacuse of COA’s age marriage with Henry> Make up your minds! You can’t have it both ways haha.

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February 9, 2013
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Boleyn said

I have to agree with you there Kelly, and I rather think that maybe COA would have backed down too and agreed to the annulment too.

Having thought about this posting I now say No way would have COA backed why should she? As for Henry would he have gone back to original plan, had Anne died, when the word annulment was put to him and married Princess Renee as Wolsey (who was still alive when the sweat swept through the country) had first suggested? Anne had given Henry the tools to go it alone and rule for himself, so would he then turn around upon Anne’s death and simply hand the power back to Wolsey etc? I don’t think so personally he liked being the big I am so I guess he would have just put out feelers for anyone else, save France. Would he have married J.S he must have seen her lurking about she was after all in COA and Anne’s household?

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February 9, 2013
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Boleyn said

Boleyn said

I have to agree with you there Kelly, and I rather think that maybe COA would have backed down too and agreed to the annulment too.

Having thought about this posting I now say No way would have COA backed why should she? As for Henry would he have gone back to original plan, had Anne died, when the word annulment was put to him and married Princess Renee as Wolsey (who was still alive when the sweat swept through the country) had first suggested? Anne had given Henry the tools to go it alone and rule for himself, so would he then turn around upon Anne’s death and simply hand the power back to Wolsey etc? I don’t think so personally he liked being the big I am so I guess he would have just put out feelers for anyone else, save France. Would he have married J.S he must have seen her lurking about she was after all in COA and Anne’s household?

I doubt Henry would have married JS back in 1528. She was at best just another shadowy figure that was around KoA.

However, I agree that Henry would have been looking for wife 2. Henry had invested too much time, energy and pride in trying to rid himself of Katherine. He didn’t want to be shown up as being led around by his cod-piece by an ambicious woman. He was trying to throw off the dependancy of his former favourites, Wolsey, More and Katherine herself, in order to get his own way.

Had Henry managed to get an annulment in 1528, would Charles have offered one of his sisters to Henry, if only to keep him from a French marriage?

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February 10, 2013
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Hadn’t thought of that Anyanka. But would Charles have given such an insult to his own Aunt to propose that solution.. I don’t think that Henry would have married into either France or Spain again. France because of his loathing of Francis and Spain because Charles had been more or less been putting the damp towel on the whole annulment from the start, and the whole point was to rid himself of everything to do with Spain.
That would have certainly narrowed the field down a lot, in more ways than one as most of the spanish Royal had been married into the rest of the world by then. But I somehow he would have married perhaps someone from Holland or Denmark.

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February 10, 2013
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How about Mary of Guise? She would have been 13 in ’28. Marriageable.
I don’t think Henry would have noticed Jane at this time. I wonder if he would have looked to other countries for a wife? Anne was the begining of his English wives. He could have continued looking at the women of his court for another wife. He was still a catch in ’28. I imagine the nobles and the gentry would have made sure their eligible daughters were placed before him.

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