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"Threads" by Nell Gavin
May 29, 2011
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Here starts the discussion for “Threads”. What did everyone think of it? Here is a link to Nell Gavin's website, just in case people want to take a look:
http://www.nellgavin.net/

 

Enjoy!

 

xx Alyssa

"Grumble all you like, this is how it's going to be"

May 29, 2011
7:31 pm
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I absolutely adored this book.  It's one of the few historical novels (if I can call it that!) of Anne that really explored her personality and complicated feelings for Henry, IMO.  I loved the themes of reincarnation and Henry and Annes' relationships through different time periods, so that it makes it much more than just your standard historical novel.  Particularly moving were the parts where Anne is slowly learning to forgive Henry, so that by the end when they meet up again you maybe think that this time their relationship will have a happy ending.  It was beautifully written, too.

I totally recommend this book to absolutely everyone!!!!!!

May 29, 2011
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It's on my Amazon wishlist. Shame I only have 1 birthday a year.

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July 15, 2011
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I loved it too, Bella! It takes Henry and Anne's relationship (and Henry Percy and Anne's relationship) and personifies it, puts it in many different time periods, which is great because I know I have always imagined what would happen to them in different time periods, namely present day, but still. It explored their relationship deeper than any other historical novel has, in my opinion, and I loved the insight into Egyptian, Dutch, 70s, etc life. I loved too that you think at the end Anne and Henry might finally get a happy ending!! And I love the way Anne's personality is depicted!

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July 15, 2011
5:43 pm
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Hummph! for some of us, the 70`s aren`t history!Embarassed

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July 16, 2011
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Oops! Er…I meant, um, modern history?! Embarassed

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July 16, 2011
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I would snicker, but I, too, lived through loud, polyester clothes (polyester everything!) in unnatural colors, disco, feathered hair, 'mall hair', mullets, wide ties and wide lapels that you folded your shirt collar back on top of so you could look even more ridiculous… And we were convinced that we looked SO much better than the 60s hippies/yippies/beatniks, etc.

Oh, I almost forgot macramé, hair bands (of the musical type – think Spinal Tap), and crocheting afghans in a zigzag pattern (what was up with that?). And CB radio. If you're really old like me, you'd know what CB stood for. Don't all answer at once. Wink

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          Ring the bell and run. He hates that."    

July 16, 2011
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Stonehenge….

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July 16, 2011
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Oh wow, thanks for putting this up, LOL! 

You know, I still haven't actually seen this movie!!!!!

July 17, 2011
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I must admit, I'm slightly [okay, make that very] confused!! Laugh

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July 19, 2011
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Proof you're young…

BTW, Bella you must see the entire movie (“This is Spinal Tap” , for Boleynfan)!! That band was sheer hell on its drummers. It was so wrong of me, but I would just bust out laughing as another drummer bit the dust.

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July 19, 2011
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I must admit I'm still confused…although I'm starting to get it: was This is Spinal Tap a movie in the 70s about a band??

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July 19, 2011
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Yes. It's a mockumentry.

 

I watch Spinal Tap and RHPS every Halloween.

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August 12, 2011
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I've just started reading 'Threads'.

So far, I like:

  • The idea behind the book. Reincarnation always interested me as a philosophical topic, because it raises so many questions. The concept of each of us being the sum total of experiences lived over all of our lifetimes easily mirrors known reality: we are the sum toal of experienced lived in our (known) lifetime, which could be broken into several subchapters, or 'lives' (am I making sense)
  • The exploration of how Anne (and Henry) would have behaved in different historical and social contexts
  • The experiences Anne's spirit goes through when leaving her body after her execution:
  • the connection with Henry, who senses her touch whislt they curse each other.
  • the encounter with the spirit of an ex servant, now her guide

 

I like less:

Some out of character assumptions concerning Anne's character and family life:

  • Anne states she remembers her sister Mary as being 'the star of the family', whislt she herself would always have struggled to get a look in. This does not fit with anne being given the opportunity to get the best education. It does not fit either with her known (and sometimes careless) self-confidence. A childhood spent struggling to be loved would have dented self confidence forever.
  • Anne further on described her brother george as being a little spiteful of her when they both make their debut at court. The reason would have been that Anne would not have been, at first, interested in politics. This does not fit with what we know of Anne as an independant lady with a very intellectual mind and opinions strongly expressed from the start.
December 29, 2011
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Santa aka Amazon aka Me provided this book as part of my Christmas pressieload of books…

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January 2, 2012
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Good choice Anyanka, hope you enjoy it!  Santa brought me some Amazon gift cards so I've just ordered Nell Gavins new novel, Hang On, which is set in the 1970's about a mixed-up girl who falls for a roadie for a rock band…. !

January 8, 2012
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Page 29…oh dear!

 

HVII dies followed to the throne by a ” weak sort” Arthur and KoA . Arthur then dies and HVIII gets both crown and bride….

 

ETA but wait….HVIII  manipulates HVII and Isabella so KoA can be the BRITISH queen…..Yell

 

ETA2….KoA is dark haired like Anne….I'm starting to lose my will to read further. Please let me know the facts get better….

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January 14, 2012
8:34 am
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Well, I didn't see this post cause I haven't been to the book club section yet and I already posted a topic about Threads in the Movie/Book section. My mistake Smile

Anyways I know historical inaccuracies make us Anne fans pull at our hair but in this book Nell Gavin clearly states that the book is pure fiction and shouldn't be used as a historic reference. And I apprecaite that because we have other authors that act like they know it all and are somehow time travelers. The best part of this book is that it is so different from any other Anne Boleyn book and it's so inspiring and touching. And I really love the message the book gives which is that you should treat others the way you want to be treated and the book also plays with the idea of Karma. It's a real neat book and worth the read.

WARNING: The book is pretty long and You might cry, I sure did.

• Grumble all you like, this is how it’s going to be.

February 25, 2012
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I'm with Mya Elise on this one. Has anyone here been following Susan Bordo as she wrote her upcoming book, “The Creation of Anne Boleyn?” While she wrote she posted discussions on Facebook and her blog. The book is coming out next year. You can find her on Facebook under “the creation of anne boleyn” and there's a link to her blog.

The premise behind her book is that virtually everything we know about Anne's history is essentially a fabrication, a lie, or complete speculation. That's why none of the biographers agree, and why people post on forums stating that this version of her story or that one is historically inaccurate.  We know when she died and where – but even the contemporary descriptions of the size of the crowd at her execution vary. As for the rest, everyone's guess is as good as anyone else's because her history was written by her enemies.

Susan Bordo had us mull over the various bones of contention and argue, and figure out amongst ourselves what probably happened. She put a lot of our quotes and observations into the upcoming book, she said. She also posted interviews with authors like Margaret George, Nell Gavin and Robin Maxwell.

You can claim Henry VIII didn't have syphilis because of this or that, but if you were his physician would YOU want to tell Henry VIII he had syphilis? He was nuts! He'd kill you! He probably had diabetes because of his weight and the ulcers on his leg, but having diabetes doesn't mean you're immune to other conditions. Since his body hasn't been exhumed in 200 years, you don't know. No one does. So don't call it an “inaccuracy” until you have proof.

Those discussions really gave me humility and insight. I am no longer a know-it-all about Anne Boleyn. The more I know, the less I'm sure about. 

I read Threads, and the author has a disclaimer in the Foreword saying she essentially gave up when she couldn't find two biographers to agree on any point and began simply picking facts to match her plot, and a list of deliberate historical inaccuracies at the back. In the Kindle version I also got a “Story Behind the Book” to give insight into what the book means, and what you're supposed to get out of it.

That amazing book is visionary fiction, which means you're not supposed to take it literally. It's supposed to teach you a life lesson about right and wrong, good and bad. Some people get that, but others nitpick – which is like complaining that Aesop's fables are garbage because animals don't talk in real life. Foxes don't eat grapes, etc. Seriously?

It's sad when people can miss the point of a piece of beautiful literature or reject it because they can't see the forest for the trees, and they're lying in wait for “mistakes.” That's why I learned from the Susan Bordo discussions.

You might want to pick Threads up and try again, if you didn't get it the first time. It's really worth the effort!

February 25, 2012
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I really think every Anne fan should give this book a try, I do admit it's a little slow in the beginning but it's a really good book…Just sayin'.Wink

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