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Who did Anne Boleyn admire?
March 12, 2013
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We all have people we admire. But who did Anne Boleyn admire? One person I was able to come up with was Marguerite of Navarre, Francis I’s sister.
Here’s a little info:
Anne Boleyn had been a lady-in-waiting to Queen Claude during her years in France before returning to England. There is conjecture that the court of Queen Claude and the court of Marguerite overlapped and that, perhaps, Anne was in service to Marguerite rather than to Claude, as well as that Anne may have become a friend, admirer, and disciple to Marguerite, who absorbed Marguerite’s radical views about Christianity. A written letter by Anne Boleyn after she became queen exists in which Anne Boleyn makes strong expressions of affection to Marguerite.

It is conjectured that Marguerite gave Anne the original manuscript of Miroir de l’âme pécheresse at some point. It is certain that in 1545, nine years after Anne Boleyn’s execution by her husband Henry VIII, that Anne’s daughter, who would become Elizabeth I (1533–1603), translated this very same poem by Marguerite into English when she was twelve years old and presented it, written in her own hand, to her then-stepmother, the English queen Catherine Parr. This literary connection among Marguerite, Anne, Katherine Parr, and the future Queen Elizabeth I suggests a direct mentoring link between the legacy of reformist religious convictions and Marguerite.
As a generous patron of the arts, Marguerite befriended and protected many artists and writers, among them François Rabelais (1483–1553), Clément Marot (1496–1544), Claude de Bectoz (d. 1547) and Pierre de Ronsard (1524–1585). Also, Marguerite served as a mediator between Roman Catholics and Protestants (including John Calvin). Although Marguerite espoused reform within the Catholic Church, she was not a Calvinist. She did, however, do her best to protect the reformers and dissuaded Francis I from intolerant measures as long as she could. After her death, eight religious wars occurred in France, marked notably by the notorious St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre of 1572.

Eminent American historian Will Durant wrote: “In Marguerite the Renaissance and the Reformation were for a moment one. Her influence radiated throughout France. Every free spirit looked upon her as protectoress and ideal …. Marguerite was the embodiment of charity. She would walk unescorted in the streets of Navarre, allowing any one to approach her and would listen at first hand to the sorrows of the people. She called herself ‘The Prime Minister of the Poor’. Henri, her husband, King of Navarre, believed in what she was doing, even to the extent of setting up a public works system that became a model for France. Together he and Marguerite financed the education of needy students.”

Jules Michelet (1798–1874), the most celebrated historian of his time, wrote of her: “Let us always remember this tender Queen of Navarre, in whose arms our people, fleeing from prison or the pyre, found safety, honor, and friendship. Our gratitude to you, Mother of our [French] Renaissance! Your hearth was that of our saints, your heart the nest of our freedom.”

Pierre Bayle (1647–1706), French philosopher and critic, whose Dictionnaire historique et critique (Historical and Critical Dictionary, 1697) greatly influenced the French Encyclopedists and the rationalist philosophers of the eighteenth century, such as Voltaire and Diderot, esteemed her highly, writing: “… for a queen to grant her protection to people persecuted for opinions which she believes to be false; to open a sanctuary to them; to preserve them from the flames prepared for them; to furnish them with a subsistence; liberally to relieve the troubles and inconveniences of their exile, is an heroic magnanimity which has hardly any precedent….”

Are there any other women Anne admired? Would like to hear everyone’s opinions.

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March 25, 2013
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I think the other main/influential women in AB’s life were: her sister Mary, her mother Elizabeth, her governess Symonnet, Margaret of Austria, Mary Tudor ( the Queen of France), Queen Claude, and, as you stated, Marguerite of Navarre.

I think we can rule out Mary as someone AB admired Wink. And I don’t think she admired her mother either because the latter seems to have had a somewhat weak disposition. I don’t think she admired Margaret of Austria so much than she was in awe of her and her court, where of course, she was immersed in the arts there i.e: music, dance, poetry etc. As for Symonnet she may have been grateful to her for improving her French but I think that was all. Queen Claude: I can’t imagine that anyone as sharp, bright and witty as Anne would have admired someone as week willed and unimpressive looking as Claude was…but I think she did learn a lot from her in terms of education. That leaves Mary Tudor and Marguerite.

It’s hard not to think that AB admired MT’s beauty, her hold over men, and her fiery determination. She must have picked up on how often Mary got what she wanted from men and how she went about getting it. In fact, I think it was MT that probably inspired her to go after Percy and later Henry VIII — seeing as how MT went so boldly after Brandon. She probably figured that it could work for her as well.

Though I think out of everyone, that you are right: she must have admired MON the most; for all the reasons you stated above i.e. her intelligence and her forward thinking.

It must have not only hurt but shocked AB to find that of all people MT did NOT support her courtship with Henry (and not only that but she publicly criticized her) and that MON shared the former’s sentiments. It must have made AB feel betrayed and isolated. But I think that made her all the more determined.

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March 26, 2013
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I agree with you! Margaret of Austria probably had some type of influence on Anne, and she probably wanted her court to resemble Margaret of Austria’s court with all the poetry, arts, dancing, and music.

At times I almost dream, I too have spent a life the sages' way,
And tread once more familiar paths. Perchance I perished in an arrogant self-reliance
Ages ago; and in that act, a prayer For one more chance went up so earnest, so
Instinct with better light let in by death, That life was blotted out—not so completely
But scattered wrecks enough of it remain Dim memories as now, when once more seems The goal in sight again. -- Robert Browning, Paracelsus

March 26, 2013
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I think Anne also admired some aspects of Katherine of Aragon’s personality and I also think Anne tried to model some of her own behaviour on how KoA would have acted.

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March 27, 2013
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Perhaps Anne also admired Queen Claude whom she served. Particularly Claudes religious devotion and the way she ran her household and the ladies in her service even if her court wasn’t always the most thrilling place to be. I think Anne tried to run her household along similar lines, but unfortunately it didn’t quite work.

March 27, 2013
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To be honest I have to say that Anne probably begudgingly perhaps admired KOA as you must admit despite their evident dislike of each other, they were each to determined to stand fast in what they believed was right.

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March 27, 2013
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I remember what Anne said to Henry after he argued with KOA one time, and she pretty much told him that whenever he argued with Katherine, she (KOA) was always sure to have the upper hand. LOL

So I guess she did have some respect for Katherine. Probably grudgingly, but it was there.

At times I almost dream, I too have spent a life the sages' way,
And tread once more familiar paths. Perchance I perished in an arrogant self-reliance
Ages ago; and in that act, a prayer For one more chance went up so earnest, so
Instinct with better light let in by death, That life was blotted out—not so completely
But scattered wrecks enough of it remain Dim memories as now, when once more seems The goal in sight again. -- Robert Browning, Paracelsus

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