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Who Accompanied Anne Boleyn to the Scaffold?
July 16, 2013
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Julia Fox in Jane Boleyn, the true story of the infamous lady Rochford, says Anne was accompanied by 4 ladies including Lady Kingston and Lady Edward Boleyn, her aunt by marriage..p 197

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July 16, 2013
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Boleyn said

It’s possible that Henry was afraid of what Anne would say if she had a priest present. Yes I know that whatever was said between the confessee, and the confesser was sacrosanct, but Henry couldn’t have a preist running about who may have known some dark secret about him, that the priest may inadvertely bleat to others.

Hmm, you could be on to something BoleynLaugh Anne’s confessor would have known the truth and must have been quaking in his boots….

July 17, 2013
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There are quite a few sources that say Anne had her young ladies with her. Yesterday I was reading L&P on an entirely different matter ( I always get sidetracked when I read these pages) and saw where the representative from Vienna claimed there were young ladies with Anne on the scaffold.

July 17, 2013
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Sharon said

There are quite a few sources that say Anne had her young ladies with her. Yesterday I was reading L&P on an entirely different matter ( I always get sidetracked when I read these pages) and saw where the representative from Vienna claimed there were young ladies with Anne on the scaffold.

Sharon,that’s interesting about the representative from Vienna mentioning young ladies with Anne on the scaffold. ( The order to keep foreigners out of the Tower doesn’t seem to have gone to plan! )

I could be mistaken, but have a recollection that he who wrote something about Marc Smeaton’s behaviour and why he was arrested. I know what you mean about getting sidetracked when reading L&PWink

July 18, 2013
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Mariette said

Sharon said

There are quite a few sources that say Anne had her young ladies with her. Yesterday I was reading L&P on an entirely different matter ( I always get sidetracked when I read these pages) and saw where the representative from Vienna claimed there were young ladies with Anne on the scaffold.

Sharon,that’s interesting about the representative from Vienna mentioning young ladies with Anne on the scaffold. ( The order to keep foreigners out of the Tower doesn’t seem to have gone to plan! )

I could be mistaken, but have a recollection that he who wrote something about Marc Smeaton’s behaviour and why he was arrested. I know what you mean about getting sidetracked when reading L&PWink

What he said about the gates is baffling: “The said Queen (unjustly called) finally was beheaded upon the scaffold in the Tower with open gates.” What does that mean, open gates?
If you would like to read his whole comment:
http://www.british-history.ac……mpid=75431 Date accessed: 17 July 2013. Skip on down to #911 his 2nd and 3rd paragraphs.

July 18, 2013
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Sharon said

Mariette said

Sharon said

There are quite a few sources that say Anne had her young ladies with her. Yesterday I was reading L&P on an entirely different matter ( I always get sidetracked when I read these pages) and saw where the representative from Vienna claimed there were young ladies with Anne on the scaffold.

Sharon,that’s interesting about the representative from Vienna mentioning young ladies with Anne on the scaffold. ( The order to keep foreigners out of the Tower doesn’t seem to have gone to plan! )

I could be mistaken, but have a recollection that he who wrote something about Marc Smeaton’s behaviour and why he was arrested. I know what you mean about getting sidetracked when reading L&PWink

What he said about the gates is baffling: “The said Queen (unjustly called) finally was beheaded upon the scaffold in the Tower with open gates.” What does that mean, open gates?
If you would like to read his whole comment:
http://www.british-history.ac……mpid=75431 Date accessed: 17 July 2013. Skip on down to #911 his 2nd and 3rd paragraphs.

Thanks SharonSmile If the gates were open then it looks like there was little or no restriction on who was able to enter the Tower grounds and witness Anne’s execution. This makes me wonder what letters/documents were lost in that fire as the king appears to have changed his mind. The guards would have had trouble weeding foreigners out of a large crowd. Henry must have wanted to put on an impressive display for the foreign ambassadors (or their representatives/spies) so word would quickly spread around europe about this! What a toad!

July 19, 2013
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Something Chapuys wrote in a letter to Charles V is troubling me.

“Today Rochford has been beheaded before the Tower, and the four others above named… The Concubine saw them executed from the Tower, to aggravate her grief.
http://www.british-history.ac……d=75431#n6 scroll down to #908 ( 8th paragraph)

Since I have no doubt that Lady Kingstom was Chapuys’ spy and because she was always present during Anne’s imprisonment, it is chilling to think that Chapuys may have been telling the truth – Anne may have witnessed the deaths of her beloved brother, Norris, Weston, Brereton and Smeaton.

July 19, 2013
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What about the bit which claims the Smeaton and Weston(?? i can’t find the uote ATM) were quartered after death?

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July 19, 2013
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Anyanka said

What about the bit which claims the Smeaton and Weston(?? i can’t find the uote ATM) were quartered after death?

Here it is Anyanka:

“The count (viscount) Rochefort, brother of the queen (unjustly so called) Anne Boleyn, was beheaded with an axe upon a scaffold before the Tower of London. … After him Norris was beheaded, then Weston and Brereton, and Marc, the player on the spinnet, who said scarcely anything except to cry mercy of God and the King, and beg people to pray for their souls. Brereton and Marc were afterwards quartered.”
http://www.british-history.ac……d=75431#n9 ( #911, paragraph 1 )

An English translation of the whole, except the heading, will be found in Froude’s “The Pilgrim,” 116.
http://archive.org/stream/pilg…..2/mode/1up ( p. 116 )

There were all sorts of rumours going around at the time that were untrue. I’ve read in some sources that Marc Smeaton was hanged.

July 19, 2013
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Thanks Mariette.

I keep reading that Mannox was hung, drawn and quatered too which must have come as surprise to Mrs Mannox who lived with him for many years after the fact.

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July 19, 2013
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Mariette said

Something Chapuys wrote in a letter to Charles V is troubling me.

“Today Rochford has been beheaded before the Tower, and the four others above named… The Concubine saw them executed from the Tower, to aggravate her grief.
http://www.british-history.ac……d=75431#n6 scroll down to #908 ( 8th paragraph)

Since I have no doubt that Lady Kingstom was Chapuys’ spy and because she was always present during Anne’s imprisonment, it is chilling to think that Chapuys may have been telling the truth – Anne may have witnessed the deaths of her beloved brother, Norris, Weston, Brereton and Smeaton.

I have read that. It is too cruel to contemplate.

July 19, 2013
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Anyanka said

Thanks Mariette.

I keep reading that Mannox was hung, drawn and quatered too which must have come as surprise to Mrs Mannox who lived with him for many years after the fact.

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