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When did Anne cease being lady in waiting to COA?
October 8, 2013
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Sarah
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Also, when did Anne herself begin to have ladies in waiting herself and were they few or many? (before 1530) I remember reading somewhere a Lady Zouche was in her service in 1527.

"For her behaviour, manners, attire and tongue she excelled them all."— Lancelot de Carles



 

 

October 8, 2013
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Hi Sarah,
According to Eric Ives, Anne was in KOA’s service when she returned from France. (1522) Henry began his courtly pursuit of Anne at the Shrovetide joust of 1526. It seems Anne was back and forth from Hever to court from ’26 to ’28. Anne had agreed to marry Henry in ’27. As far as I can tell, she was still in Katherine’s household during that time period, but her time with Katherine was spotty at best. Especially in 1528. In February of 1528, Anne was at Hever and received Steven Gardiner as he was on his way to negotiate with Rome. She was back at court in May. Anne was at Hever in June when she was taken ill with sweat, but was back at court in July. She was sent home before Compaggio arrived in England in September. Henry visited her at Hever in November. On December 9th,1528, Anne was back at court and lodged grandly near the king. By Christmas she had her own suite set up in the palace.
It is said that Anne Gainsford, Lady Zouche, joined Anne’s household at Christmas 1528. Here is an article about the women who were in her household:
http://www.theanneboleynfiles……n-waiting/

Here is a list of women who were with Anne before she became Queen and after:
http://www.kateemersonhistoric…../lists.htm

October 11, 2013
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What great resources! Thanks Sharon! You have to wonder how many ladies struggled transitioning from serving Anne to Jane but had little choice… I also wonder if any of them treated her cooly because of Anne’s death? I’m not sure her ban on french fashions would have sat well with some ladies either..

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October 11, 2013
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You are welcome, Sarah. Hope it helped.
You are right, it couldn’t have been easy going from one queen to the next, but serving the queen was a prestigious and very desired position. I think if these women wanted to serve, and if they were chosen to serve, they had to bite the bullet and conform. (even if it meant wearing the dreaded gable)

October 11, 2013
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I think it was a case of grin and bear it not matter what your personal feeling were on the matter. To be a lady in waiting to a Queen was perhaps the best a woman could get for herself, in those days. I would think that it would have been more difficult for those who had been in K.O.A household to make the transistion to Anne’s as many of them had practically grown up in K.O.A’s household, and then all of a sudden they had to choose whether to stay put and conform or give up court and hope that they could find a position in another noble families household.

Jane Boleyn seemed to manage alright, although it probably wouldn’t have been easy for her in the sence that perhaps the other maids would have been whispering about the dark deeds of husband and the previous Queen.
I wonder why Jane chose to dress in the same style as K.O.A?

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October 12, 2013
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Jane wanted to portray herself as the Anti-Anne..basically as a Demure, Old-Fashioned Mature Tudor Matron against the Frenchy-ifed Sexxy, Wanton Mistress Who Seduced Henry Agin His Will…

By embracing Ye Olde Fashioned Clothing and Ye Gable Hoode Jane was projecting stability and a return to Victorian ….er Plantag…er Traditonal Tudor Values tm..rather than the forward looking reformisst views espoused by Anne, aggressively.

Wasn’t it Chapuys who noted that JAne looked beeter in highly decorated clothing unlike Anne?? I start to suspect Anne was one of those rare women who could rock a potato sack or a shroud and leave the people viewing her amazed as to how good she looked.

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October 12, 2013
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I agree with you all that Jane was trying to portray herself in a certain light and take the court back to it’s traditional ways but perhaps part of it too was Jane trying to stop Henry’s eye wandering (in vain) by having her ladies dress modestly?

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October 14, 2013
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Yes Sarah, it was noted once that Jane specifically banned a pretty lady-in-waiting to stop wearing the French hood and don the less flattering Gable Hood. She also retricted the style and type of jewels her ladies were allowed to wear, pretty much making them dress similaryly.

October 15, 2013
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That was Anne Bassett, step-daughter of Arthur Plantagent, bastard son of Edward IV….making her a cousin byu marriage of Henry.

Apparently Henry was rather fond of Anne allowing her to remain at court after Jane’s death and even arranging lodgings for her when the male court went on progress….as well as giving her a horse. Anne was also present at one of the feasts following Kathryn Howard’s down fall.

The novel ” Between Two queens ” by Kate Emerson uses this freindship to make Anne Henry’s mistress, a one night stand…or flop!Laugh

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