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The most annoying thing someone has said to me about Anne!
November 16, 2011
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Mya Elise
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Bill1978 said:

I guess Henry was too blinded by Anne's 'guarantee' of a son, to notice her personality. LOL

 

Um, no. Yeah Anne probably did say she could give him a son, and why would she think else? She was still young and her sister had a healthy son so she probably thought why couldn't she be able to produce a son?     Anyways, with all the fighting and making up so often Henry certainly did notice her personality and like Sharon said, Henry knew Anne better than anyone…the man spent years and years courting her and being with her so no, Henry wasn't 'blinded' by the son thing to notice the real Anne.

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November 16, 2011
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Bill,

I’m not so sure I believe the stuff written about Anne when it comes to her being mean and nasty. I can see where at times she lost it.  To me, it sounds like overkill. Damning a woman in every way possible.  So much of what was written was to give the impression that poor Henry’s life was pure hell with Anne. Chapuys had to admit that they quarreled, but they made up quickly.  One source of Chapuys' was Carewe.  He was a known enemy of Anne’s.  Some of the things he said are the things we are discussing here.  Henry’s life was made “hell” by a “barren old, and ill-natured baggage.”  Now that sounds to me like someone who had an axe to grind with a woman and said the most despicable things he could say to damage her. How do you correct that opinion when you are dead?

The way I see it, in order to make it look as though Henry was perfectly justified for killing Anne, these men decided to trash her.  They were out to destroy Anne because she had the king’s ear and they didn’t.  And to this day, people are willing to believe that she was just a bitch and deserved what happened to her.  Well…She didn’t deserve any of it.

Not sure what you meant about Anne being a ruling Queen.  She did not rule.  If you mean she and Henry discussed everything, that’s more than likely true.  Her enemies didn’t like that at all.  Henry wants a new wife.  He wants a son, and he decides Anne isn’t going to give him one.  The rest of the crew want the king’s ear.  They all come to the conclusion that Anne must go.  As well as killing her, they destroyed the woman she was and left her reputation in tatters.

November 16, 2011
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It seems Anne's personality only became an issue with Henry was when he tired of her, not before. He wanted Anne to be his wife, and was willing to look beyond her faults when they were courting. Ives notes that Anne was noted for her kindess toward the poor and members of her familiy. However, when Anne fell through on her promise of a son, Anne became an obstacle, not before. 

Did Henry and Anne have volatile relationship? Absolutely. Could Anne be a difficult person? Of course, but so can I when I am peeved off. Was Anne perfect? No, but neither was Henry nor his syncophants. But, none of that mattered. In the end, Anne could have been the meek, mild, subjugated wife Henry wanted, but without a son, she would have been put aside. It's not Anne's personality that should be under consideration. Rather, how the divisive politics of Henrician court lead to a woman's downfall, cloaked in a disguise of lies and innuendo. Regardless, I lay the blame for Anne's downfall at Henry's feet. Not Cromwell, the Seymours, or Anne herself. Henry moved heaven and earth to marry Anne, but equally, he would stop at nothing to destroy her in the end.

I agree with Sharon. The sheer desire to blacken Anne's name is overkill. If one takes these sources as fact, Anne was the biggest bitch to ever walk the earth. If true, no matter how sexy, witty, or intelligent she was, no man (or woman) would put up with her. Oh, of course, she was a witch, so she bewitched Henry, who was oblivious to her rotten personality (read as sarcasm)!

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November 16, 2011
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What an idiot!  You just can't reason with some people can you? No amount of patiently pointing out that the greatest monarch England (and perhaps even the world)has ever seen would not have come to be if Anne just “kept her mouth shut” will help this person. Hmmm. Keep a look out for an opportunity to defenestrate her. Surprised

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November 17, 2011
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Not sure what you meant about Anne being a ruling Queen.  She did not rule.  If you mean she and Henry discussed everything, that's more than likely true.  Her enemies didn't like that at all.  Henry wants a new wife.  He wants a son, and he decides Anne isn't going to give him one.  The rest of the crew want the king's ear.  They all come to the conclusion that Anne must go.  As well as killing her, they destroyed the woman she was and left her reputation in tatters.

That's exactly what I meant. I should have been clearer and probably pur ruling in inverted commas to signify that I was viewing that term from the men who didn't like Anne having the king's ear.

 

I guess Henry was too blinded by Anne's 'guarantee' of a son, to notice her personality. LOL

 

Um, no. Yeah Anne probably did say she could give him a son, and why would she think else? She was still young and her sister had a healthy son so she probably thought why couldn't she be able to produce a son?     Anyways, with all the fighting and making up so often Henry certainly did notice her personality and like Sharon said, Henry knew Anne better than anyone…the man spent years and years courting her and being with her so no, Henry wasn't 'blinded' by the son thing to notice the real Anne.

It was meant to be a light hearted joke aimed at Henry's ego hence the inverted commas and the LOL. It wasn't a serious comment on Anne ever saying she would give Henry a son, or an attack on Anne's personality. Clearly I need to work on my humour or not even joke ever about Anne.

 

November 17, 2011
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No, i just couldn't tell whether it was a joke or you were laughing about Anne. Like Claire-Lousies friend, you can't really tell who's really an Anne supporter or if out of nowhere someone is going to trash her.

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November 18, 2011
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I'm sure if Anne feels she is being trashed, she is more than capable of defending herself, wherever she is. Perhaps a bolt of lightening will come out of nowhere and strike whomsoever dares to insult her. That would be fun to watch.

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November 22, 2011
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DuchessofBrittany said:

It seems Anne’s personality only became an issue with Henry was when he tired of her, not before. He wanted Anne to be his wife, and was willing to look beyond her faults when they were courting. Ives notes that Anne was noted for her kindess toward the poor and members of her familiy. However, when Anne fell through on her promise of a son, Anne became an obstacle, not before. 

Did Henry and Anne have volatile relationship? Absolutely. Could Anne be a difficult person? Of course, but so can I when I am peeved off. Was Anne perfect? No, but neither was Henry nor his syncophants. But, none of that mattered. In the end, Anne could have been the meek, mild, subjugated wife Henry wanted, but without a son, she would have been put aside. It’s not Anne’s personality that should be under consideration. Rather, how the divisive politics of Henrician court lead to a woman’s downfall, cloaked in a disguise of lies and innuendo. Regardless, I lay the blame for Anne’s downfall at Henry’s feet. Not Cromwell, the Seymours, or Anne herself. Henry moved heaven and earth to marry Anne, but equally, he would stop at nothing to destroy her in the end.

I agree with Sharon. The sheer desire to blacken Anne’s name is overkill. If one takes these sources as fact, Anne was the biggest bitch to ever walk the earth. If true, no matter how sexy, witty, or intelligent she was, no man (or woman) would put up with her. Oh, of course, she was a witch, so she bewitched Henry, who was oblivious to her rotten personality (read as sarcasm)!


 

I think this is what a lot of people forget about Anne, she was human! She lost her temper…so do we all. Admittedly some people are more fiery than others. Of course I have no idea what Anne was really like, none of us do, but from my personal experience, people that are up front about everything and speak straight to the point are the people I have had the least problems with. I often find that those with a sharp tongue can also have the softest of hearts, and then in some cases there are very quiet people, who you would never imagine arguing with anyone and they often are the first to stab you in the back.

In a way I think it comes back to the same old story that women who voiced their opinions in history automatically were regarded as she-wolves.

December 29, 2011
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It's amazing how many misinformed people there are. In truth however, hardly anything annoying has been said to me about Anne because hardly anyone around me has heard of her. The only thing I recall is that one girl in my history class who was arguing with me because she was 'certain' the Princess Mary was the daughter of Anne Boleyn….

However, with Henry VIII it is a different story. Many think of him as an old 'pedophile' who changed his wives as often as he ate and then killed them. My own dad even admitted that he had no idea why a “disgusting old man” is such an interesting historical figure to me. When I said to him that Henry was not always so and that “when he came to the throne at the age of eighteen he was a young, handsome, athletic, king” he rolled his eyes and said that it was all a romantic notion, my 'teenage fantasy'. I was more amused than annoyed, my dad was never that into history anyway. Now, I do not sympathize with Henry for the most part but thinking more about my dad's comments makes me wish people were more open minded, not only about Henry VIII but famous historical figures in general.

December 29, 2011
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When I tell people I'm interested in Anne and George Boleyn and then go on to explain that he was the brother accused of incest with her, invariably I'm asked if they were guilty. I could lose the will to live!

December 29, 2011
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Please don't, Louise, We'd all miss you!

December 29, 2011
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Thank you, Neil, that's a lovely thing to say.  

December 29, 2011
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Louise said:

When I tell people I’m interested in Anne and George Boleyn and then go on to explain that he was the brother accused of incest with her, invariably I’m asked if they were guilty. I could lose the will to live!

Louise, we all need you around. You are George's advocate, and if he were alive, he's appreciate your constant support and dedication to his cause.If you change one person's view of George, you've done your job.

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December 29, 2011
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DuchessofBrittany said:

Louise said:

When I tell people I'm interested in Anne and George Boleyn and then go on to explain that he was the brother accused of incest with her, invariably I'm asked if they were guilty. I could lose the will to live!

Louise, we all need you around. You are George's advocate, and if he were alive, he's appreciate your constant support and dedication to his cause.If you change one person's view of George, you've done your job.

Please…Poor George is possibly the most vilified of the Boleyn family. Sometimes even more than Thomas. He needs all the support we can give him.

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December 30, 2011
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Thanks, Duchess and Anyanka.

I think peoples views of George are gradually changing due to sites like this and the work of people like Claire, because with the best will in the world, I would find it difficult to get my views across without her and her wonderful site.

One of the most annoying things someone has said about Anne was Weir when, in her Mary Boleyn biography, she denergrated Anne Boleyn based sites to mere 'fan clubs'. I wonder if she's ever taken the time to read Claire's site in detail, because if so then she would realise how inaccurate and patronising that comment was.    

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It's funny because when I met her she was very complimentary about The AB Files but I noticed this remark in her book and in a recent talk she did. Well, if it's a fan club then it's a fan club that is committed to providing its followers or 'fans' with the truth about the Boleyns and I'm proud of that and pleased to meet so many like-minded people. I wonder if Weir realises that her comment has actually made people quite cross with her, I've had lots of emails about it.

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January 3, 2012
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The fact that people who have been dead for nearly 500 years inspire us is a good thing. I'd rather my 2 daughters were fans of Anne than some vaccous pop-singer whose only talent is for attracting the wrong kind of fame.

 

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January 4, 2012
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I think everyone on this site is proud to be an Anne Boleyn fan and it does get really annoying when people don't understand it and make rude comments about it, I don't think i've ever judged anyone for liking something so much and I don't see why it's okay to insult my or anyone else's interests. I've always felt like this site is where committed Anne fans can gather and discuss why she and her era is so fasinating, None of my friends or family members are interested in this stuff and i'm glad i have this site to go on everyday and talk with other people who share my love for history, the Tudor era, and most of all, Anne Boleyn.

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January 4, 2012
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I think the ABFiles is the place to be if you want to learn the truth about all aspects of Tudor England.  She is very good at pulling assumptions out of thin air.  If Weir wants to call it a fan club, that's fine with me; but I think she should bring her own self over here. Think of all she could learn. Proper referencing, for example.  She might even pick up a few tidbits about fairness to all of the Tudor characters.

January 4, 2012
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Amen to that.

Something just came to mind….LOL, imagine a chit chat about Anne Boleyn between Weir & Phillipa Gregory – I can see them both nodding eagerly with their mouths wide open to the thought of Anne being a murderer. Sorry, i tend to amuse myself to the weridest things…

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