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7:14 pm
June 24, 2009
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Welcome starbug! Nice to have your comments.
I always thought it was a pre-marriage portrait, even though it might have been a copy of an original painted after her death. We got quite excited about it, as you can see from all these messages.
9:20 am
September 13, 2009
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I have a feeling that it's not a contemporary portrait of Anne. First of all, it looks too much like the NPG portrait. It looks like someone took the head from the NPG partrait and painted a body on it. There also appears to be six fingers on her left hand, and it's been effectivly proven that Anne did not have six fingers. That could be an optical illusion too. So, there is a slight chance that it's a contemporary portrait. If that's the case, then it had to have been painted in 1535 or early 1536 based on when the cup was made. She appears to be pregnant as her belly is slightly rounded, and her index finger on her right hand is pointing to her stomach. That may explain the large breasts. If it is a contemtorary, then it may have been done to commemorate a pregnancy. The NPG portrait was painted in the late 16th century, and is said to be derived from a lost original. If the Ludlow is a comtemporary, then could it be the lost original from which the NPG portrait was derived from? If so, then it may explain why it looks so much like the NPG portrait. Also, the portrait seems to indicate that she is 31 at the time of the portrait. So, if it is a contemporary, and it was painted in 1535 or early 1536 as the cup indicates, then that would put her year of birth at 1504. Those are my theories anyway.
When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.
9:21 am
February 16, 2009
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It would be so great if an art historian could take a look at this painting and answer all of our questions! It's so frustrating not knowing! I love mysteries and puzzles but I like them solved!
You're right, ProudtobeCatholic, just because this painting is so much like the NPG portrait it does not mean that it is copied from that, it could well be the other way round. Whatever the case, I love this portrait, it's so vibrant and it's nice to have a longer length view of Anne. I also love all the symbolism in it. Great portrait. If I had a better and higher resolution photo of it, I would get the artists I'm in touch with to do a replica of it and I would hang it on my wall!
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9:16 pm
October 14, 2009
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I found another portrait of Anne I don't know how accurate it is, but I thought I would share it.
For some reason I'm having problems posting it here, so I'll just past the url.
12:58 pm
March 30, 2010
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Okay, so it's kind of obvious Anne was pregnant in this portrait, and when you look at the painting close up, it shows that the peice of paper has notes, like a peice of music. And at the bottom of the cup, in small faded print you can see HA entwined. And the latin writing, the first part is Anne Boleyn, and in all her other portraits with Henry were painted after their marriage and always say Anna Bollina Henrici Octavi, but this one says something else. It is either something to do with her age, or something that was happening on that day. does anyone know for sure that this inscription is in latin? because I can't find the meaning of it anywhere.
10:02 pm
August 12, 2009
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Belle said:
I found another portrait of Anne I don't know how accurate it is, but I thought I would share it.
For some reason I'm having problems posting it here, so I'll just past the url.
It looks Victorian to me. The face doesn't look much like her other portraits and her hair is curly! But I thought the headpiece she's wearing was very interesting – it's like a gable hood/French hood hybrid. Too rounded to be a 'traditional' gable hood, but too squared to be a 'traditional' French hood, either. Is it a transitional style, or did the later times just get it wrong?
"Don't knock at death's door.
Ring the bell and run. He hates that."
2:48 pm
March 30, 2010
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How is her hair curly? It's like that in the NPG portrait. It's unknown when it was made, so it is possible she could have started another “trend”. But the picture you put up, I find that the hardest to believe that it is Anne. It's so modern. But the Ludlow, this looks like Anne to me. Or, well close resmblence.
6:47 am
April 9, 2010
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The Golden Apple:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G…..lden_apple
Judgment of Paris = Venus wins.
The cup is also very reminiscent of the iconography associated with Mary Magdalene – but personally, I do not believe a reference to that saint has anything to do with a purported sacred bloodline.
7:02 am
February 16, 2009
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Hmmm, interesting when The Judgment of Paris was recreated at Anne's coronation. As Nasim said in her article the other day:-
“At the Great Conduit, the Judgment of Paris was recreated. Paris of Troy is asked to judge who of three goddess – Juno, Pallas and Venus – should be rewarded with the golden apple, a prize which he granted to Venus. The renowned story is given a slight twist here. When Anne approached the display Paris was just about to give the apple to Venus but upon seeing Anne he grants her the prize, for her exceeding beauty and grace:
Paris:
‘yet, to bee plain
Here is the fouerthe ladie now in our presence,
Moste worthie to haue it of due congruence,
As pereles in riches, wit, and beautee,
Whiche are but sundrie qualitees in you three.
But for hir worthynes, this aple of gold
Is to symple a reward a thousand fold.’”
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7:11 am
April 9, 2010
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Hi, Claire…thank you for your insights that I happen to believe are right on track, per usual!
Perhaps Anne knew a secret about Lady Venus, a very forbidden tradition that is being examined on the Facebook group called Anne Boleyn – Heretic Heart.
Heretic <3
1:09 pm
April 9, 2010
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More on the significance of the pomander:
“From the Fr. pomme d'ambre, apple of amber or ambergris. A ball made of perfume, such as ambergris, which was worn or carried in a perforated case in order to ward off infection or counteract bad smells.”
– Dictionary of Phrase & Fable
A golden apple, royal cup, parchment and pomander. Whoever painted Anne displaying a perfumed case knew a great mystery that the woman depicted understood. Eric Ives mentions that Anne may have traveled with Louise of Savoy to Ste. Baume…check out what was found there in 1277 by Charles of Salerno, future King of Naples. The incorrupt body of Mary Magdalene. A tomb that smelled of a delicious perfume. And that's just the beginning of a very complicated story that actually does involve a “son of Venus.” And Vergil, come to think of it, who also hailed from Naples – the same Vergil whose prophecy concerning the return of a Just Virgin was recited at Anne Boleyn's own coronation.
Also, as an aside, amber was once known as ambergris and the word “ambry” was once known by the term Amber, as well. An ambry is a cupboard, wall-press or locker. In church vernacular it's a closed recess for keeping valuables such as books, vestments, holy oils, etc., so the artist could have been adding an additional air of mystery to the scene.
9:16 pm
August 12, 2009
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AnneBullen said:How is her hair curly? It's like that in the NPG portrait. It's unknown when it was made, so it is possible she could have started another “trend”. But the picture you put up, I find that the hardest to believe that it is Anne. It's so modern. But the Ludlow, this looks like Anne to me. Or, well close resmblence.
I'm going to assume you're referring to me, since I'm the one who mentioned curly hair…
The curly hair is not in the Ludlow portrait; it's in the linked pic that Belle posted.
I think the first thing I said was that it looked Victorian (not the Ludlow portrait, just to be clear). Asking whether there had been some transitional style hood or whether the Victorians just got it wrong is a long way from saying I think it's genuine and Anne started a new trend. The Victorians got a lot wrong in their paintings of the Tudor era. Like curly hair! Or any actual resemblance to the people they were portraying.
I didn't put the picture link up except in my quote to a previous poster.
"Don't knock at death's door.
Ring the bell and run. He hates that."
8:31 am
February 16, 2009
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Here's the portrait Belle was referring to:-
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and she's definitely got curly hair at the front. Perhaps the Victorians thought that Tudor women put rags in their hair to curl it like they did.
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8:41 am
February 16, 2009
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heretic said:
More on the significance of the pomander:
“From the Fr. pomme d'ambre, apple of amber or ambergris. A ball made of perfume, such as ambergris, which was worn or carried in a perforated case in order to ward off infection or counteract bad smells.”
– Dictionary of Phrase & Fable
A golden apple, royal cup, parchment and pomander. Whoever painted Anne displaying a perfumed case knew a great mystery that the woman depicted understood. Eric Ives mentions that Anne may have traveled with Louise of Savoy to Ste. Baume…check out what was found there in 1277 by Charles of Salerno, future King of Naples. The incorrupt body of Mary Magdalene. A tomb that smelled of a delicious perfume. And that's just the beginning of a very complicated story that actually does involve a “son of Venus.” And Vergil, come to think of it, who also hailed from Naples – the same Vergil whose prophecy concerning the return of a Just Virgin was recited at Anne Boleyn's own coronation.
Also, as an aside, amber was once known as ambergris and the word “ambry” was once known by the term Amber, as well. An ambry is a cupboard, wall-press or locker. In church vernacular it's a closed recess for keeping valuables such as books, vestments, holy oils, etc., so the artist could have been adding an additional air of mystery to the scene.
I read in Ives that Anne may have visited the tomb of Mary Magdalene with Queen Claude and Louise of Savoy but you'll have to explain things a bit more, heretic, my brain is complete mush at the moment. Questions.-
- What did Charles I of Naples find – the body of Mary Magdalene?
- What has it all to do with a son of Venus and Vergil?
- Are you saying that the apple is a symbol of Anne knowing some secret about Mary Magdalene from her time in France?
Thanks!
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7:52 pm
March 30, 2010
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Hi Claire,
Thanks for showing the picture. Now I get what Impish_Impulse meant.
1:03 pm
April 9, 2010
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Charles V, nephew of Catherine of Aragon, did in fact have access to a very heretical “relic” which was housed in Naples while he ruled that spot, an inheritance he was given by his grandparents, Ferdinand & Isabella of Christopher Columbus fame.
While at the court of Queen Claude and Francis I, Anne Boleyn would have had the opportunity to learn about this secret as Claude's own mother, Anne of Brittany, co-ruled Naples and had a very important “piece” of the same heresy brought to France around the same time the famous Hunt for the Unicorn tapestries were produced. Although France eventually lost Naples to Ferdinand & Isabella, thanks to Anne of Brittany a very unorthodox piece of this historical puzzle was kept from Charles V, who later sent his own sister as Francois I's second wife to keep an eye on the situation.
The relic in question exudes a very fragant odor, as reportedly do many incorruptible bodies. Hence the allusion to perfume and scent in the Ludlow portrait.
Leonardo da Vinci, friend of the Este family, especially Beatrice, was given access to this information on a trip to Naples, and he recorded what he saw/found on canvas, a painting destined to become the most famous in the world…
This is a very long and involved legacy that is better explained in the non-fiction work, Gala's Grail by Kora Silver, available to read for free on scribd.com
The only reason why I bring any of this up is my utter and complete frustration concerning the prevalent view of Anne Boleyn and her religious/political motives. The mother of Elizabeth I was truly an adept and esoteric master, completely fluent in cant/code and she deserves a much better fate than being labeled a witch or worse. But then again, in a world of DaVinci Code Dan Brown types, why am I surprised.
6:29 am
April 9, 2010
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Dear Claire:
Your questions are understandable and extremely relevant to better understanding the nature of Anne Boleyn's connection with a certain heresy.
1. The son of Charles I of Naples, the lame Prince of Salerno (who would later become Charles II of Naples) reportedly unearthed the tomb of Mary Magdalene in 1277 or 79 depending on source material. This “discovery” was made at Ste. Baume (where Anne most probably traveled with Louise of Savoy) and involved several months of “opening” and “sealing” said tomb before the contents went public with Roman Catholic Papal approval. Prince Charles then had a church built in honor of this saint, who was recorded as being found incorrupted (snow white), with two tablets and fennel (an herb sacred to the Troubadours) springing from her mouth.
2. Since Prince Charles' father, Charles I of Naples (brother of St. Louis of France) was a very militant man who was not above bartering relics with Rome to gain a political edge, this body was moved to Naples (after having been desecrated to provide the Church with more relics), a spot that was anciently called Parthenope, City of the Virgin (Athena) and also the birthplace of another “virgin” – the great poet/magician Virgil who fortified the Castle of the Egg in his hometown with mystical incantations – the same fortress where the body was later moved in the 13th century. It may be of note that the incorrupt body of St. Lucy was/is located not far from this cache-spot. The son of Venus reference comes into the code aspect of the word “virgin” itself…by the god Hermes, Venus/Aphrodite produced a son who was later to become transformed into Hermaphroditus. This is one of the most important and controversial aspects of the heresy. Composite creatures such as griffins refer to this state of affairs. And in code, they are referred to as “virgins”…the reference to Virgin Queen (and the significance of Virgo, a constellation that holds a spear or spica) as a moniker may be made at this point.
3. The golden apple not only is a symbol of forbidden, incorrupt (gold is the only “pure” metal) knowledge, it also was given to Venus as a tribute, for of all the goddesses, she produced the prize – the perfect balance of male and female, a state much lauded by the alchemists of old and the state necessary to attain before finding the fabled “philosopher's stone.”
This information was obtained following many years of study and research and are all documented in art and literature. Should anyone involved with your great forum be interested in learning more and in much greater depth, please feel free to join the Facebook group called Anne Boleyn : Heretic Heart for more information:
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=193211746713
Anne Boleyn's entire adult life was dedicated to preserving and promoting a certain truth, make no doubt about…a heretical tradition/secret that was later transmitted to her daughter Elizabeth via either Anne's personal chaplain who attended her final hours, Sir Henry Lee (Margaret Wyatt's son) and/or Johh Dee (Dee's father was a cloth merchant and may have had contact, most probably, with Margaret Wyatt in her capacity as Mistress of Anne's wardrobe).
8:41 am
July 9, 2009
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Heretic, I joined your Facebook group! Thanks for the info.
Ainsi sera, groigne qui groigne.
12:47 pm
February 16, 2009
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Thanks for the info, Heretic, I've enjoyed our discussions, they're always so intriguing! I do love the throw-away comment in the Ives book about Anne probably going with Queen Claude and Louise of Savoy to Ste Baume to see the tomb of Mary Magdalene, it make you do a double take!! If Anne was involved in protecting some secret or truth then it puts a whole different spin on her life and death. It is certainly interesting the research you've done and the way that you're sharing it on your FB group, I just hope that one day we will get to the bottom of things and see the real Anne, she is such a puzzle and it's all very frustrating!!
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6:57 pm
April 20, 2010
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Hi everybody!
I'm Anyelka, newly registered on the forum.
About this painting, the apple is, in art, a symbol for virginity. If the apple hasn't been touched, it means the person represented hasn't been either. If she was, there would be a bite in the apple.
The so well-conserved colours of the painting do not prove it was recently painted, paintings on wood -if it is one- often show such a beautiful rendering of colours centuries later. But the style doesn't make me think that it is contemporary either. XVIth century portraits never show such breasts, jumping out of the corset. You can sometimes see the beginning of it but mostly you can guess it by the clothes' shape. The image sometimes given by the movies representations is not totally right.
It looks like a tribute to Anne Boleyn with symbols of her queenship, mothership, virtues.
